President Trump

How would it be divided as you describe? What would the mechanism be?
No idea. Maybe they just keep turning politics more right leaning. Pro US in Germany, pro Rusdia in Poland for example.

I just can't imagine Russian troops in Cork or Manchester. I couldn't see the US even with Trump allowing Ireland to be taken over and I couldn't see the UK being taken over with a huge military conflict that would stretch Russia too far. But I'm no expert. I just would imagine that the political road is much easier all round.
 
Cuba will be next as it's an easier target than Columbia. That Cartels won't make it easy for him.

The ultimate goal though is Greenland. If it gets to Greenland I'd be very worried about the fate of the world
I think it's time to get some troops into Greenland rather than wait like we did with the Falklands.
He can't do it If he has to kill Danish soldiers to do it
 
I think it's time to get some troops into Greenland rather than wait like we did with the Falklands.
He can't do it If he has to kill Danish soldiers to do it
Europe needs to stage some military exercises in Greenland, then leave their forces there for a few years
Don't think Danish troops alone would deter the **** tbh
 
If he has to take it by force he will be attacking another nato member the rest have to provide protection
But who would be in overall charge of the fightback, Denmark ?
Who gets to decide military tactics, the ones who provide the most troops?
Nato sounds great but it hasn't been called upon since Kosovo which is a totally different scenario.

If he invaded Greenland, Europe will still be sending strongly worded letters 9 months after in the hope they, individually, didn't have to send their troops in, especially if an election is near.
Farage could be our next PM. Do you think he'd send the army, I don't.
 
But who would be in overall charge of the fightback, Denmark ?
Who gets to decide military tactics, the ones who provide the most troops?
Nato sounds great but it hasn't been called upon since Kosovo which is a totally different scenario.

If he invaded Greenland, Europe will still be sending strongly worded letters 9 months after in the hope they, individually, didn't have to send their troops in, especially if an election is near.
Farage could be our next PM. Do you think he'd send the army, I don't.

It might hole Farage below the waterline if anyone closely associated with Trump becomes tainted by Trump madness, and the Putin influence over Trump continues.
 
Don't think Danish troops alone would deter the **** tbh

He would probably see that as a challenge he needs to face into to maintain his strong man optics.

It's depressing to have to contemplate but the only tactic that might work with the feckless fat fucker is to big him up but then bore him to the point where he loses interest and moves on to somewhere/something else that gives him what he needs. Maybe if Europe welcomed his interest in Greenland and suggested the US led some kind of Arctic Security review and continued to flatter him about it whilst going at a snails pace he might expire before anything came to pass. Make him come to the conclusion it's a world of pain to actually do anything substantive but give him the off ramp of still being able to say he's secured the future of the Arctic etc. The problem with that is the greedy bastards backing him would want him to move at pace but they could possibly be tied up in legal risk/paperwork too (they can't ignore that stuff quite as easily as Trump) as long as Shit Gibbon's narcissism is fed and the optics meet his own goals.
 
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No idea. Maybe they just keep turning politics more right leaning. Pro US in Germany, pro Rusdia in Poland for example.

I just can't imagine Russian troops in Cork or Manchester. I couldn't see the US even with Trump allowing Ireland to be taken over and I couldn't see the UK being taken over with a huge military conflict that would stretch Russia too far. But I'm no expert. I just would imagine that the political road is much easier all round.
I think that it is a mistake to categorise Russia in the same grouping as the US and China, who are streets ahead in terms of economic and military power. They have the two largest economies and armies in the word, Russia’s economy is smaller than Italy. Russia has also been hugely depleted and exhausted by the Ukraine war. It also faces particular demographic challenges that the US doesn’t, although the birth rate in China is also a ticking time bomb, but I believe they have the wherewithal to substantively address that.

So I simply doesn’t see how Russia has the capacity to impose itself on its sphere of influence to anything even resembling the same extent as US and China, especially as a united Europe has the conventional military capacity to repel, or at least absorb Russian aggression, even without the assistance of the US.

I can readily see a world dominated by two global superpowers, but to assume Russia will be a third simply doesn’t bear any objective scrutiny and is simply based on its sheer size rather than a host of other equally relevant factors.

I think it faces huge issues, which the other two don’t, notwithstanding the potential long term vulnerability of the dollar.
 
I think that it is a mistake to categorise Russia in the same grouping as the US and China, who are streets ahead in terms of economic and military power. They have the two largest economies and armies in the word, Russia’s economy is smaller than Italy. Russia has also been hugely depleted and exhausted by the Ukraine war. It also faces particular demographic challenges that the US doesn’t, although the birth rate in China is also a ticking time bomb, but I believe they have the wherewithal to substantively address that.

So I simply doesn’t see how Russia has the capacity to impose itself on its sphere of influence to anything even resembling the same extent as US and China, especially as a united Europe has the conventional military capacity to repel, or at least absorb Russian aggression, even without the assistance of the US.

I can readily see a world dominated by two global superpowers, but to assume Russia will be a third simply doesn’t bear any objective scrutiny and is simply based on its sheer size rather than a host of other equally relevant factors.

I think it faces huge issues, which the other two don’t, notwithstanding the potential long term vulnerability of the dollar.
I think you are right.
 
He would probably see that as a challenge he needs to face into to maintain his strong man optics.

It's depressing to have to contemplate but the only tactic that might work with the feckless fat fucker is to big him up but then bore him to the point where he loses interest and moves on to somewhere/something else that gives him what he needs. Maybe if Europe welcomed his interest in Greenland and suggested the US led some kind of Arctic Security review and continued to flatter him about it whilst going at a snails pace he might expire before anything came to pass. Make him come to the conclusion it's a world of pain to actually do anything substantive but give him the off ramp of still being able to say he's secured the future of the Arctic etc. The problem with that is the greedy bastards backing him would want him to move at pace but they could possibly be tied up in legal risk/paperwork too (they can't ignore that stuff quite as easily as Trump) as long as Shit Gibbon's narcissism is fed and the optics meet his own goals.
The world has been feeding his narcissism incessantly for 12 months now including gold carriage rides round Windsor Castle, a new aeroplane, red carpet treatment in multiple countries and culminating in a made up Peace Prize from the only international organisation that could rival Trump for corruption.

In return he’s supported Russia, treated Zelenskyy like shit, threatened allies and heaped praise on enemies.

It’s about time tactics changed and he starts to be treated with the contempt he deserves now it’s been established that cosying up to him gets you nothing.
 
UNSC Jeffry Sachs giving the Americans shit
About there behaviour since 1947.
70 attempted changes of government and not one of them have turned out happy for the countries involved.
So far in the past year they have threatened and bombed several countries.
They really are the cause of most the problems around the world since ww2
 
UNSC Jeffry Sachs giving the Americans shit
About there behaviour since 1947.
70 attempted changes of government and not one of them have turned out happy for the countries involved.
So far in the past year they have threatened and bombed several countries.
They really are the cause of most the problems around the world since ww2

Always good to listen to Sachs.
 
The world has been feeding his narcissism incessantly for 12 months now including gold carriage rides round Windsor Castle, a new aeroplane, red carpet treatment in multiple countries and culminating in a made up Peace Prize from the only international organisation that could rival Trump for corruption.

In return he’s supported Russia, treated Zelenskyy like shit, threatened allies and heaped praise on enemies.

It’s about time tactics changed and he starts to be treated with the contempt he deserves now it’s been established that cosying up to him gets you nothing.

Absolutely fair comment. I wasn't suggesting it as a tactic to change his behaviour, as you say people have tried and failed. I don't think it's possible in any predictable way and cosying up to him is meaningless because he's entirely transactional.

I was thinking more in terms of just keeping him occupied in a way that minimises the degree of escalation. He's got the attention span of a fish, can that be used against him? In an ideal world we'd just stand up to him and like the bully he is he'd back down. Except he's not a common or garden bully he's a nutter high on his own supply and he's surrounded himself with people who will do nothing to restrain him even in the face of clear punative action being the consequence. In that situation I think things can escalate all too quickly. He moves at speed and with little thought. We can't get him to think but maybe de-escalation can be achieved by slowing him down?

It feels like it needs to be a two pronged and two faced effort. On the one hand lay down clear markers because even if he ignores them (which I think he will) it'll give pause for thought for others, like institutions that would otherwise take advantage of his behaviour, that the receipts have been kept and they've opened themselves up to an eventual reckoning. But on the other hand engage with him but in ways that encourage him to operate at a superficial level playing to his base whilst containing the material damage he causes.

Different countries would need to play the two different roles and their diplomatic strategies would have to be much better coordinated than they would typically need to be. Maybe they've all already tried that and it simply doesn't work but, if the alternative is escalation it feels like it's worth a second iteration based on what we've now learnt about him. If that fails then we are down to direct pushback and hoping that things don't spiral.
 
I actually think the threats to Greenland are just a tactic. Threaten to take over, then offer a land lease instead.
It would be more palatable, and safer than the alternative.

It makes Trump seem reasonable. Yet the US still gets what it wants.

The Canada 51st thing is just posturing.
 
I actually think the threats to Greenland are just a tactic. Threaten to take over, then offer a land lease instead.
It would be more palatable, and safer than the alternative.

It makes Trump seem reasonable. Yet the US still gets what it wants.

The Canada 51st thing is just posturing.
I hope you're right but fear you're being naive. Land lease isn't as profitable as annexing.
 

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