President Trump

[TheBeautifulGame]

Towards the end of your post, you seem to believe Iran capitulated ?
5 weeks ago any ship could sail through the Homuz Straight.
Now, with Trumps apparent blessing, certainly acceptance, they have to pay a toll to Iran.

Your view of capitulation is very different to mine.
You also kind of spoilt your post by saying trump is the man to stop them.
Really ! He was about to commit horrors that go way past murdering 165 school children (day 1 of his illegal war) and you think, even after 5 weeks of achieving the square root of fuck all, he is the man!

And they say the match day thread is weird

Capitulated in the sense that before the threat and the deadline, Iran was not engaging in negotiations. Iran was not talking to mediators, they were not willing to make concessions. IRGC was fully committed to bombing their neighbors, causing havoc throughout the region. They were not looking to end hostilities. They only became interested in ending hostilities when they were about to be destroyed. And once the ceasefire was announced they go back to their normal "we're winning" posture. Iran is a dangerous and delusional country.

 

[mosssideblue]

Is the orange slug still breathing?

 

[SiMCFC]

Capitulated in the sense that before the threat and the deadline, Iran was not engaging in negotiations. Iran was not talking to mediators, they were not willing to make concessions. IRGC was fully committed to bombing their neighbors, causing havoc throughout the region. They were not looking to end hostilities. They only became interested in ending hostilities when they were about to be destroyed. And once the ceasefire was announced they go back to their normal "we're winning" posture. Iran is a dangerous and delusional country.

You don't honestly believe that do You? The US have confirmed there were negotiations ongoing throughout and what the media say is totally different to what goes on behind the scenes, I also don't believe what the US/Trump brief the media is what is actually going on behind the scenes either but thats another story.

 

[Blue Mist]

Capitulated in the sense that before the threat and the deadline, Iran was not engaging in negotiations. Iran was not talking to mediators, they were not willing to make concessions. IRGC was fully committed to bombing their neighbors, causing havoc throughout the region. They were not looking to end hostilities. They only became interested in ending hostilities when they were about to be destroyed. And once the ceasefire was announced they go back to their normal "we're winning" posture. Iran is a dangerous and delusional country.

Have you seen the Iranian 10 point plan that has been accepted by trump? That is not a nation in fear of obliteration.
If they truly believed they either agree a ceasefire or be wiped from the face of the earth, they would have accepted Trumps proposals. He didnt have any.
He had nothing. He has basically given in to them.

 

[Postman Pep]

Explosive language. When you frame that way you generate an extreme emotional response. That's not to say you are wrong to be upset, but who's Genocidal here is a point of contention. What I would say is that if you threaten a powerful country and declare your intentions to wipe a country off the map (as IRGC has repeatedly done towards the Jewish State) you don't get to call the "reaction" to that land thieving. As it's all part of a scheme to paint everything about Israel in a negative tone. Any reasonable mannered person can see how problematic this is.

Israel is going to continue to fight because they have enemies fighting them. I think we all wish they wouldn't have to fight anymore. Getting the region to a point where Israel doesn't have to fight presumably requires IRGC to be ended, to which this ceasefire effectively prolongs the agony and misery. IRGC are constantly liars and cannot be trusted with negotiations. They only capitulated here because what Trump was about to do was a red line to them and they had no other card to play. IRGC is stalling and deceiving. That's all they do, that's all they'll ever do. They need to be stopped. Trump is the man to stop them.

Lol. Imagine making all that effort.

Didn't even get the memo never mind the paycheck.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

You don't honestly believe that do You? The US have confirmed there were negotiations ongoing throughout and what the media say is totally different to what goes on behind the scenes, I also don't believe what the US/Trump brief the media is what is actually going on behind the scenes either but thats another story.

If I had to guess, Trump wanted to attack but his Gulf allies warned him not to. Because they were bearing the brunt of the war. UAE and Bahrain have been pounded, Qatar as well. What Trump did from a strategic standpoint is "sound the alarm" use explosive language to issue a threat, to prompt action / cooperation (or try to).

So in the event that the ceasefire fails, it can be blamed on Iran and give Trump the justification to go in. I also think that the human shield line that the IRGC forced their women to stand in front of the power plant (shows how little they value human life) that caused Trump to hold off on the strike. Now he might still do the strike, but not with people standing in front of it like that. There's a lot that goes into this and it's all deeply troubling.

 

[lust overlord]

Capitulated in the sense that before the threat and the deadline, Iran was not engaging in negotiations. Iran was not talking to mediators, they were not willing to make concessions. IRGC was fully committed to bombing their neighbors, causing havoc throughout the region. They were not looking to end hostilities. They only became interested in ending hostilities when they were about to be destroyed. And once the ceasefire was announced they go back to their normal "we're winning" posture. Iran is a dangerous and delusional country.

Change the words Iran and Irgc to Israel in this post and a very large percentage of people would agree.The evidence is undeniable.

 

[lust overlord]

If I had to guess, Trump wanted to attack but his Gulf allies warned him not to. Because they were bearing the brunt of the war. UAE and Bahrain have been pounded, Qatar as well. What Trump did from a strategic standpoint is "sound the alarm" use explosive language to issue a threat, to prompt action / cooperation (or try to).

So in the event that the ceasefire fails, it can be blamed on Iran and give Trump the justification to go in. I also think that the human shield line that the IRGC forced their women to stand in front of the power plant (shows how little they value human life) that caused Trump to hold off on the strike. Now he might still do the strike, but not with people standing in front of it like that. There's a lot that goes into this and it's all deeply troubling.

Almost as deeply troubling that anyone would give credence to that load of old bollocks.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

Change the words Iran and Irgc to Israel in this post and a very large percentage of people would agree.The evidence is undeniable.

I'm afraid Israel and IRGC are not interchangeable here. We need to understand what happened with Iran. Before 1979 they were a relatively normal country. Women had rights, it had a vibrant culture. OK then the Islamic revolution took over and the place did a complete 180.

It's mad to ignore their complete "about face" on the World and act like they aren't the instigators. IRGC became wedded to waring against Israel and practically everything Israel is involved in is due to Iran. The people Israel are fighting in Lebanon are there because of Iran. Hamas is supported by Iran. Iran has been drumming all this up, forcing Israel to respond and be seen as the warring party. It's a deceptive game and you've been duped into taking their side, rather than the Americans or the Israelis. There is plenty of angst between Britain, America and Israel, but in the end they are much preferred to the evil IRGC and terrorists that try to disrupt our way of life and our collective future.

 

[lust overlord]

I'm afraid Israel and IRGC are not interchangeable here. We need to understand what happened with Iran. Before 1979 they were a relatively normal country. Women had rights, it had a vibrant culture. OK then the Islamic revolution took over and the place did a complete 180.

It's mad to ignore their complete "about face" on the World and act like they aren't the instigators. IRGC became wedded to waring against Israel and practically everything Israel is involved in is due to Iran. The people Israel are fighting in Lebanon are there because of Iran. Hamas is supported by Iran. Iran has been drumming all this up, forcing Israel to respond and be seen as the warring party. It's a deceptive game and you've been duped into taking their side, rather than the Americans or the Israelis. There is plenty of angst between Britain, America and Israel, but in the end they are much preferred to the evil IRGC and terrorists that try to disrupt our way of life and our collective future.

No.
They are interchangeable.

Both act like marauders.
That's the path israel have chosen.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

No.
They are interchangeable.

Both act like marauders.
That's the path israel have chosen.

And we need to be the adults in the room and get the kids to stop fighitng. How we do that is not by fueling the flames but by calmly discussing the matter.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Vlad is probably instructing his bitch to meet the head of NATO to say they are withdrawing. I can see the reaction from Rutte...

 

[HelloCity]

The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV’s Ambassador With the Avignon Papacy

The Free Press has documented a closed-door Pentagon meeting in which a senior Trump official lectured Pope Leo XIV’s ambassador on American military supremacy.

www.thelettersfromleo.com

In January, behind closed doors at the Pentagon, Under Secretary of War for Policy Elbridge Colby summoned Cardinal Christophe Pierre — Pope Leo XIV's then-ambassador to the United States — and delivered a lecture.

"America," Colby and his colleagues told the cardinal, "has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world. The Catholic Church had better take its side."

As tempers rose, one U.S. official reached for a fourteenth-century weapon and invoked the Avignon Papacy, the period when the French Crown used military force to bend the bishop of Rome to its will.

 

[TinFoilHat]

The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV’s Ambassador With the Avignon Papacy

The Free Press has documented a closed-door Pentagon meeting in which a senior Trump official lectured Pope Leo XIV’s ambassador on American military supremacy.

www.thelettersfromleo.com

'...During one heated exchange the ambassador asked President Trump which football team he supported. 'Manchester United'; replied the leader of the free world. The reply from the usually balanced Cardinal Christophe Pierre surprised everyone..."Fuck off!" The Vatican have confirmed this interaction took place. Along with his holiness saying; "Who the fuck are man united?!"...'

 

[Earlyriser]

Capitulated in the sense that before the threat and the deadline, Iran was not engaging in negotiations. Iran was not talking to mediators, they were not willing to make concessions. IRGC was fully committed to bombing their neighbors, causing havoc throughout the region. They were not looking to end hostilities. They only became interested in ending hostilities when they were about to be destroyed. And once the ceasefire was announced they go back to their normal "we're winning" posture. Iran is a dangerous and delusional country.

Your last sentence is really something. Every word of it applies to the US as well but you choose not to mention them

 

[Vic]

Capitulated in the sense that before the threat and the deadline, Iran was not engaging in negotiations. Iran was not talking to mediators, they were not willing to make concessions. IRGC was fully committed to bombing their neighbors, causing havoc throughout the region. They were not looking to end hostilities. They only became interested in ending hostilities when they were about to be destroyed. And once the ceasefire was announced they go back to their normal "we're winning" posture. Iran is a dangerous and delusional country.

Er ... Iran was in negotiations when Netanyahu persuaded Trump to attack. You do seem expert in danger and delusion.

 

[Slipper One]

Explosive language. When you frame that way you generate an extreme emotional response. That's not to say you are wrong to be upset, but who's Genocidal here is a point of contention. What I would say is that if you threaten a powerful country and declare your intentions to wipe a country off the map (as IRGC has repeatedly done towards the Jewish State) you don't get to call the "reaction" to that land thieving. As it's all part of a scheme to paint everything about Israel in a negative tone. Any reasonable mannered person can see how problematic this is.

Israel is going to continue to fight because they have enemies fighting them. I think we all wish they wouldn't have to fight anymore. Getting the region to a point where Israel doesn't have to fight presumably requires IRGC to be ended, to which this ceasefire effectively prolongs the agony and misery. IRGC are constantly liars and cannot be trusted with negotiations. They only capitulated here because what Trump was about to do was a red line to them and they had no other card to play. IRGC is stalling and deceiving. That's all they do, that's all they'll ever do. They need to be stopped. Trump is the man to stop them.

On all known evidence...........how do you propose he is going to do that?

He's found out that Iran isn't the same as Venezuela, he's orgasmed watching things blow up and enjoyed killing people and been teased and ridiculed by the Iranians as he's got himself into a position where he has no military answer and resorted to expressing his frustration with amateurish expletives on social media.

I for one am not encouraged by those events in that he has the experience or mental capacity for a situation like this. The massive benefits for him are that he and his family are making a fortune out of it, while the country itself slowly spirals out of global contention.

Nuclear Iran off the face of the earth, well, he didn't get the name TACO for nothing. The threats were a last resort because there was no other alternative for him and he's grabbed at Iran's 10 point offer with both hands and a huge sigh of relief. In my opinion the Iranians didn't suddenly pick up the phone and agree to terms based on his threats, they gave him an out.....on their terms.

The US have lost this war, along with all their others, because they have the wrong mindset and underestimate and don't understand their enemy.

Regardless of their massive military might........they're as thick as shit and don't learn from their past mistakes.

So, I digress........how does Trump stop them, please enlighten me?

 

[Vic]

I'm afraid Israel and IRGC are not interchangeable here. We need to understand what happened with Iran. Before 1979 they were a relatively normal country. Women had rights, it had a vibrant culture. OK then the Islamic revolution took over and the place did a complete 180.

It's mad to ignore their complete "about face" on the World and act like they aren't the instigators. IRGC became wedded to waring against Israel and practically everything Israel is involved in is due to Iran. The people Israel are fighting in Lebanon are there because of Iran. Hamas is supported by Iran. Iran has been drumming all this up, forcing Israel to respond and be seen as the warring party. It's a deceptive game and you've been duped into taking their side, rather than the Americans or the Israelis. There is plenty of angst between Britain, America and Israel, but in the end they are much preferred to the evil IRGC and terrorists that try to disrupt our way of life and our collective future.

The people Israel are fighting in Lebanon are there because Israel is in Lebanon.

 

[Blue Mist]

If I had to guess, Trump wanted to attack but his Gulf allies warned him not to. Because they were bearing the brunt of the war. UAE and Bahrain have been pounded, Qatar as well. What Trump did from a strategic standpoint is "sound the alarm" use explosive language to issue a threat, to prompt action / cooperation (or try to).

So in the event that the ceasefire fails, it can be blamed on Iran and give Trump the justification to go in. I also think that the human shield line that the IRGC forced their women to stand in front of the power plant (shows how little they value human life) that caused Trump to hold off on the strike. Now he might still do the strike, but not with people standing in front of it like that. There's a lot that goes into this and it's all deeply troubling.

Please can you explain to me what the difference is between women standing as a human shield and children attending school.
I understand your point that these women were forced, it's the bit about 'how little they value human life' I'm struggling with.

 

[TinFoilHat]