President Trump

threespires said:
I went through the motions of checking that this was real, even though really I already knew it was.

Any Christians who continue to support him at this point are probably self-declaring themselves to be part of an entirely different 'religion' altogether. As of early this year, Trump still broadly retained the support of over 40% of America's White Catholics, if this and the latest episode with the Pope, which has been coming, doesn't convince them they are misguided then it's hard to fathom what will.

Probably best that no one tells Trump that you don't actually have to be an ordained priest to become Pope; he'll be invading and installing Vance in the role. He'll then be halfway through the V's and can turn his attention to Vanuatu as presumably he'll once again be giving Vietnam a swerve.
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All the Americans I know personally, mainly those who pop over annually from Chicago and Minneapolis to visit our pubs, are the best of people (and Democrats, oddly).

Although not particularly "religious" in an organised sense I do try and follow the lessons of Jesus.

When asked for his favourite Bible verse, Trump (eventually) said "An eye for an eye", the exact opposite of the instruction given by Jesus to his followers. Trump is the anti-Christ.
 
johnnytapia said:
Vance is married and married men cannot become Bishops. The Pope is also “Bishop of Rome”, so Vance, even if nominated to be Pope (as a baptised Catholic male) couldn’t be ordained as a bishop and couldn’t therefore become Pope.
But I wouldn’t put it past Trump giving it a go.
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Mel Gibson is free.
 
threespires said:
I went through the motions of checking that this was real, even though really I already knew it was.

Any Christians who continue to support him at this point are probably self-declaring themselves to be part of an entirely different 'religion' altogether. As of early this year, Trump still broadly retained the support of over 40% of America's White Catholics, if this and the latest episode with the Pope, which has been coming, doesn't convince them they are misguided then it's hard to fathom what will.

Probably best that no one tells Trump that you don't actually have to be an ordained priest to become Pope; he'll be invading and installing Vance in the role. He'll then be halfway through the V's and can turn his attention to Vanuatu as presumably he'll once again be giving Vietnam a swerve.
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He is the "man of lawlessness" (2 Thessalonians 4) who will exalt himself above all gods.

The lego video pre-empted this with Christians worshipping Baal. Iran may think of the USA as the Great Satan, and maybe Christians should too if Trump claims to be "another Jesus".
 
unicorn said:
All the Americans I know personally, mainly those who pop over annually from Chicago and Minneapolis to visit our pubs, are the best of people (and Democrats, oddly).

Although not particularly "religious" in an organised sense I do try and follow the lessons of Jesus.

When asked for his favourite Bible verse, Trump (eventually) said "An eye for an eye", the exact opposite of the instruction given by Jesus to his followers. Trump is the anti-Christ.
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I'm not the least bit religious,but if I were...
 
The blue phantom said:
They armed Israel to murder tens of thousands of Palestinians. Then Trump took it to another level. Their whole system is corrupt as fuck. Theve near a million people homeless, hundreds of thousands walking round like zombies in forgotten city's riddled with fentanyl.

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I'm not pretending that any one party is good, it's politics after all and humans are selfish, greedy and corruptible - in general, but let's not pretend that the current maga shit show isn't dangerous and unpredictable in just about every way, without any real sense of purpose other than enriching the already wealthy and totally messing up the current world order.
 
Views on these questions:

Is America unique, among countries where protest would not result in state killings (let’s assume that is the case) in that there isn’t any serious widespread public disorder in a circumstance where someone beyond the acceptable limits of behaviour is abusing power and embarrassing the country?

Is it delusion to think that there would be public disorder and a refusal to accept such behaviour in other comparable countries (UK, France, Japan, Korea, etc)?

Other than the same hypocrisy that pervades Trump’s support, is there any reasonable explanation for a country that has such a widespread prevalent extreme view on government - namely that people must be armed in order to rise against the government, if/when they act beyond reasonable limits because you cannot trust them - so meekly accepting this Trump nonsense? They are the only country in the world that has a view that you must be ready to rise against the government, but seem to paradoxically react in the meekest conceivable way to signs of it, preferring to bang on about the price of eggs.

Clearly, we are talking about millions of different people with different views, but as a whole, it seems uniquely “all mouth and no trousers” when it comes to being ready to push back against government.
 
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The blue phantom said:
That's a better post.

It all started a couple of years ago when I stated Joe Biden was a Monster. I then said the Dems would lose as younger voters are disgusted with the administrations actions arming Israel. That is basically what's narked you for 2 or 3 years. From that you insinuated I wanted Trump to win, which was bollocks. Ive only ever gone after your political party's for being bought

We'll leave it there.
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It isn't just a US problem. There are very few politicians worldwide who aren't influenced financially to a degree, and some more than others. The problem with the US is the often global effect of their domestic and foreign policies. Remeber the saying 'When America sneezes, the rest of the world catches a cold'? This is largely true.

And with regards to foreign military conflicts, I can't think of many in the last 25 years that were't at least jointly instigated or led by the USA. Last one I recall where the USA took no part militarily was Sierra Leone in 1999/2000.
 
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jma said:
Views on these questions:

Is America unique, among countries where protest would not result in state killings (let’s assume that is the case) in that there isn’t any serious widespread public disorder in a circumstance where someone beyond the acceptable limits of behaviour is abusing power and embarrassing the country?

Is it delusion to think that there would be public disorder and a refusal to accept such behaviour in other compatible countries (UK, France, Japan, Korea, etc)?

Other than the same hypocrisy that pervades Trump’s support, is there any reasonable explanation for a country that has such a widespread prevalent extreme view on government - namely that people must be armed in order to rise against the government, if/when they act beyond reasonable limits because you cannot trust them - so meekly accepting this Trump nonsense? They are the only country in the world that has a view that you must be ready to rise against the government, but seemed to paradoxically react in the meekest conceivable way to signs of it, preferring to bang on about the price of eggs.

Clearly, we are talking about millions of different people with different views, but as a whole, it seems uniquely “all mouth and no trousers” when it comes to being ready to push back against government.
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I don't understand this argument. Remember multiple people were killed in Minnesota confronting federal agents a few months ago. God know how many arrested or injured.

Legitimately believing "I need guns to fight the government" is a fringe, largely far-right position. Generally it's a fig leaf people use to try to make their gun hobby seem noble rather than deranged.
 
WT86 said:
I don't understand this argument. Remember multiple people were killed in Minnesota confronting federal agents a few months ago. God know how many arrested or injured.

Legitimately believing "I need guns to fight the government" is a fringe, largely far-right position. Generally it's a fig leaf people use to try to make their gun hobby seem noble rather than deranged.
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The intent of 2a was 'noble'. It certainly isn't that now.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
The intent of 2a was 'noble'. It certainly isn't that now.
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Agreed, and the right to bear arms has a long history in English political philosophy and common law. Unfortunately red states have twisted it into this right to buy semiautomatic weapons without serious vetting.
 
WT86 said:
I don't understand this argument. Remember multiple people were killed in Minnesota confronting federal agents a few months ago. God know how many arrested or injured.

Legitimately believing "I need guns to fight the government" is a fringe, largely far-right position. Generally it's a fig leaf people use to try to make their gun hobby seem noble rather than deranged.
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Did anti ICE protest attract anywhere near the number of people that large scale protests - about anything - attracts in the likes of the UK and France? I don’t think they did but not 100%.

If you consider the fraction of a population that things like the anti Iraq war or Poll tax demos attracted here, it would seem that the US is so far away from such a number of people being motivated to take to the streets that it isn’t even in the conversation.

I know that there was a turn out for the ‘No Kings’ stuff but where’s the response to the last two weeks of insanity from the average person. Surely the last two weeks is of equal motivation to Iraq or the Poll tax? Maybe it’s the media coverage on this side of the pond but the population seems incredibly docile, given the insanity in charge.
 
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