Ronnie the Rep
Well-Known Member
it's sort of two different points you are making Brassy. I agree 100% about the low -living scum class but it wasn't Maggie that started this it was Blair and Brown with their benefits culture. as far as Primark is concerned, they actually share some suppliers with M&S and although I am sure they exploit some workers (how many employers don't!) they are ok quality and very good value for money[/quote]
We have always had an underclass. When I was a kid living in a block of flats in Taunton street (torn down now and new houses on the site) we had all sorts living near us. Some really good people and some not so good. We had "tinkers" who were really travellers who had stopped travelling (I am choosing my words carefully here as I don't want to be accused of double standards) who robbed off there own and took pot shots at our windows just for fun and this was nearly 40 years ago.
I also agree with you both Thatcher created more sub class and Brown/Blair has put a couple of bob in their pockets. Don't think for a second that if there wasn't a benifit system these people would go to work because the will not (just look at the US). The subclass have always been here, have never worked and never want to work. There are now more of them and they are more extreme but that is not the responsibilty of politicians of either party. I would love to blame Thatcher for it all as you would love to blame Brown/Blair but it goes deeper and I think politicians are powerless to change it in a democratic and relatively free society.
However my original point really was not to tar everyone with the same brush.
Primark does not mean scum although I will conceed some scum shop there :-)[/quote]
Damn!! nothing to disagree with there. I suppose the workshy are just more visible nowadays. makes me want to puke
We have always had an underclass. When I was a kid living in a block of flats in Taunton street (torn down now and new houses on the site) we had all sorts living near us. Some really good people and some not so good. We had "tinkers" who were really travellers who had stopped travelling (I am choosing my words carefully here as I don't want to be accused of double standards) who robbed off there own and took pot shots at our windows just for fun and this was nearly 40 years ago.
I also agree with you both Thatcher created more sub class and Brown/Blair has put a couple of bob in their pockets. Don't think for a second that if there wasn't a benifit system these people would go to work because the will not (just look at the US). The subclass have always been here, have never worked and never want to work. There are now more of them and they are more extreme but that is not the responsibilty of politicians of either party. I would love to blame Thatcher for it all as you would love to blame Brown/Blair but it goes deeper and I think politicians are powerless to change it in a democratic and relatively free society.
However my original point really was not to tar everyone with the same brush.
Primark does not mean scum although I will conceed some scum shop there :-)[/quote]
Damn!! nothing to disagree with there. I suppose the workshy are just more visible nowadays. makes me want to puke