Priti Vacant has a plan, a deal with migrants plan.

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Gunboats in the channel would be my plan for the "boat people". Turn up on a dingy and you get the shit shot out of you. Only downside might be if someone is on holiday and goes a bit too far out on their lilo!

Again... breaks a UN Convention ... ''The laws of the Sea''

So I'll say it again..... if you actually want to change the law you have to lobby and legislate for change. Don't see the Tories queuing up at the UN to do that do you?

Instead they turn out Patel to wind you lot up.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Think you’ll find the majority of the UK electorate quite like our borders to be of the ‘closed’ variety.

No .... only 17.4 million of them.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I'm not for a minute saying the WHOLE benefits system is generous and profligate, in fact the people most deserving of benefits, the genuinely disabled or people who have previously worked and paid in to the system all their adult life and then suddenly find themselves out of work and needing to claim, are the ones who get the rawest deal.

But for those who know how to play the system, especially the feckless breeders, the typical Sharons with 3x3, then the benefits on offer are ridiculously generous and easy to obtain.

We had the lowest Welfare payments and State Pensions in the Eu. We all get the rawest deal. But lets focus on people on benefits or single mums with kids shall we? Cos that gives us someone to hate. Lets not focus on the companies who avoid or evade tax or hide it off shore. Lets not focus on why the Tories have gutted the HMRC team who investigate corporate taxation avoidance but boosted the team that investigates that tax submissions of the average self employed worker.

 

[Vic]

Did I hear Patel right? There's no obligation to seek asylum in another "safe" country and we chose to leave the EU's Dublin agreement, but Patel still wants to "return" people to other countries....

If a country refuses to take them, she (the UK) would retaliate by refusing visas to tourists and business travellers from that country.

I bet she would still expect those countries to grant visas to British citizens.

It's gone beyond right wing populism, it's a pathological fixation.

 

[metalblue]

Under the UN Refugee Convention of 1951 an Asylum Seeker has the right to seek asylum in a country of their choice NOT necessarily the first safe country that they arrive in.

Just a gentle reminder that the UN Refugee Convention of 1951 was written by the UK.

I’m not entirely sure they were thinking they should enter the country of choice illegally though. As a gentle reminder.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

What SHOULD happen to “migrants without permission” (previously known as “illegal immigrants”)?

If there is no deterrence, why have a law? Why not open the border to all comers? What if your circumstance was not “Live in a war torn country, no house, no food, cold and no future”…do you still qualify? How do you know if the country was war torn, if they had a house, any food, were cold, or had any future, unless you have a legally approved process that gets all that information…IF that’s the threshold?

I’m not saying Patel is right or wrong, or that you are right or wrong. I’m asking, “Are those the two extreme choices, and if so, who decides and why, and what would YOU do differently?

Always looking to learn about how to solve the difficult questions of the last few millennia.

You cant ask questions like that Chicago, this is clearly a thread for people to throw insults not offer opinions and debate the issue sensibly. The opening thread is designed for that purpose only, as it deliberately omits the choice imigrants have when they chose to cross several safe countries in Europe to get into the UK.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

We're being played. There is not the prison space or money to even lock up the native criminals, so no way this can happen. What they are doing is throwing this idea out there as a way to divide us into two angry mobs looking the other way and shouting at each other while while they slip their actual dodgy stuff under our noses. Chuck an idea like this out there and we instinctively retreat behind our open borders / send 'em back bunkers. No one is talking about Hancock, the uefa exemptions, or the 19 Jul 'freedom day' in the middle of a 3rd wave anymore. This polarisation is classic divide and rule - same as GB news, Trumps twitter feed, the brexit 'debate' and any number of similar con tricks. This is how they retain power instead of us banding together to kick them out.

 

[metalblue]

This focus is the one so beloved of the Daily Mail but they never, ever mention the major UK companies that pay zero tax nor the estimated £32 trillion of hidden wealth in the British territories; benefit fraud is a tiny issue compared to this.

The focus so beloved of the left. Rather than accept there is a problem they point to some other larger issue and say well you spent x on PPE or what about tax avoidance - solve that.

I was always brought up believing our system only works when those than can do and those that can’t are supported - i.e. work if you can and pay your taxes. Unfortunately our system has started to skew into a situation where working full time doesn’t always pay and as someone put it earlier in this thread we, the tax payers, are propping up major corporations pay roll and this benefitting their shareholders. It needs a reboot, it isn’t sustainable.

 

[oldius]

The focus so beloved of the left. Rather than accept there is a problem they point to some other larger issue and say well you spent x on PPE or what about tax avoidance - solve that.

I was always brought up believing our system only works when those than can do and those that can’t are supported - i.e. work if you can and pay your taxes. Unfortunately our system has started to skew into a situation where working full time doesn’t always pay and as someone put it earlier in this thread we, the tax payers, are propping up major corporations pay roll and this benefitting their shareholders. It needs a reboot, it isn’t sustainable.

I don't doubt that both need tackling. We can also stop spending 34 billion on track and trace; 120bn on HS2 and so on and so forth. The time for excuses is done: we cannot justify being unable to care for the elderly while allowing money to be frittered away on vanity projects or to the Cayman Islands.

 

[oldius]

We're being played. There is not the prison space or money to even lock up the native criminals, so no way this can happen. What they are doing is throwing this idea out there as a way to divide us into two angry mobs looking the other way and shouting at each other while while they slip their actual dodgy stuff under our noses. Chuck an idea like this out there and we instinctively retreat behind our open borders / send 'em back bunkers. No one is talking about Hancock, the uefa exemptions, or the 19 Jul 'freedom day' in the middle of a 3rd wave anymore. This polarisation is classic divide and rule - same as GB news, Trumps twitter feed, the brexit 'debate' and any number of similar con tricks. This is how they retain power instead of us banding together to kick them out.

The constant use of the word woke and others like radicals, Marxists, remoaners, and snowflakes have been seized upon by the media deliberately. A government think tank has pushed it forth as a way of solidifying voting positions and it has definitely polarised the nation even more.