Priti Vacant has a plan, a deal with migrants plan.

[ROCKET80]

The British public has always had an issue with the EU: the glee with which the Sun and Mail readers lap up any story about gunboats sailing off to bomb Pierre or Fritz over cod has always been embarrassing. The 'war story' headlines whenever there is an England football match, similar.

Ha! Yes very true, but the same can be said for anytime we played Argentina and the Falklands was brought up. I just put that down to 'little Englander syndrome'.

I moved away in 2007 and can't remember any real anti-EU sentiment, the past few years however it's been dialed up to eleven.

 

[oldius]

Ha! Yes very true, but the same can be said for anytime we played Argentina and the Falklands was brought up. I just put that down to 'little Englander syndrome'.

I moved away in 2007 and can't remember any real anti-EU sentiment, the past few years however it's been dialed up to eleven.

And because of that, the EU is an easy foil. The problems we have in the UK have very little to do with the EU yet read those papers and you would think that UK governments have been powerless against the bureaucrats and that they and their citizens have crushed the UK's spirit, its economy, and its sense of togetherness. It amazes me that the British territories are recognised as the global centre of tax avoidance but many believe that the problem with our public services is because of immigration. I am perplexed that one in four major UK companies pay zero tax but 2,000 men a year in dingies are the main reason that Elsie can't get a doctor's appointment and Joey cannot get a place in school. We sign arms deals that send weapons to a tinderbox and then complain that citizens in that region need help, and celebrate the culling of foreign aid. We spend £34bn on an app but have the lowest state pension in Europe...come on!

Meanwhile, my friend who works for the National Trust is threatened and abused, daily, because she and her team wish to state that a house built in the 18th century was built for someone who owned a sugar plantation in the West Indies, manned by slave labour. Our priorities are, to me, farcical.

 

[Rascal]

Such a shame when people can't avail themselves of the facts on a subject and just resort to childish insults.

I can only advise you to try and educate yourself with regards to just how generous and profligate the benefits system can be for those who are prepared to fully game it.

I will advise you how "profligate" the WELFARE system is, because I know better than most how miserly it actually is.

As for gaming the system, have you any idea how difficult it is to game the system?

The whole WELFARE system is set up to make it as hard as possible to claim anything. If you see an advisor they are not allowed to tell you what WELFARE you can claim, you have to find out for yourself. Have you ever tried to claim anything from the WELFARE system?

The WELFARE system has evolved and Ian Duncan Smith made a complete mess of it. The clueless **** thought he had this wonderful idea of cutting WELFARE so people had to work, apparently to give people "dignity". Pray tell how sending a disabled person for a job that involves climbing ladders offers that person "dignity"

The word "benefit" is a huge misnomer, there is no "benefit" to being on WELFARE. WELFARE was originally designed do that when people came upon hard times they "fared well".

Ian Duncan Smith then came up with this argument that WELFARE would be targeted at those who needed it most. A noble idea if implemented properly, but it meant 5% fared better and 95% fared worse. I lost 27% of my WELFARE, yes I am disabled, I claim WELFARE. DLA (disability living allowance) was changed to PIP (personal independent payment) and new rules were brought in. You no longer got an award for life so you had the ludicrous occurance of a lad I know with one arm being sent for an assessment to see if his arm had grown back. I personally lost 27% of my WELFARE because I could open a bottle of water. And you think you can game the system.

I have been for assessments, they offer you assessments upstairs, you climb the stairs you lose your WELFARE.

My friend has MS, she worked as a child support worker for vulnerable children. She had a car on motability. She went for an assessment and because she could walk 10 yards, yes 10 fucking yards, she lost her high rate of PIP, because she lost her high rate, she no longer qualified for a car. Because she has MS she cannot use public transport a it is dangerous for her because MS gives her balance problems. She ended up losing her job because she could not get there anymore. The cunts took away her livelihood, they put her on unemployment welfare and she could no longer afford her mortgage. Plus the vulnerable children who she had spent time with building a rapport also suffered, all because she could walk the 15 yards from her front door to her car.

And you, you silly **** think you can game the system, all you have done is swallowed anecdotes in RW media aimed at demonising those people who are less fortunate than yourself and you have the fucking temerity to come on here and tell me to educate myself. Well fuck off you cannot educate me, I live the fucking system every day, I see the barriers put in place and i see the rise in disability hate crimes that have arisen because silly cunts like you believe a load of fucking nonsense.

I hope and I genuinely mean this that you do not have to navigate this disgusting excuse for a WELFARE system that exists in this country, because it is cruel, it is heartless and it makes ZERO fucking sense. But as long as the likes of yourself believe you can game the system, you can get free houses, 50 ft wide TVs and have 20 holidays a year to a villa you own in Tuscany then people like me, my friend with MS, my mate with one arm will continue to get fuck all apart from platitudes and a meagre amount to try and live on.

So I suggest you educate yourself on the WELFARE system and how it works, I suggest you stop listen to anecdote, start researching and find out for yourself the TRUTH behind the worst WELFARE system in EUROPE.

 

[generobinson]

The British public has always had an issue with the EU: the glee with which the Sun and Mail readers lap up any story about gunboats sailing off to bomb Pierre or Fritz over cod has always been embarrassing. The 'war story' headlines whenever there is an England football match, similar.

I can't quite agree with this, especially the football part.

I heard a thing on Radio 5 recently (just before the England v Germany game) and it mentioned some of the tabloid coverage prior to the 1996 match between the same countries, it was appalling, nasty and jingoistic, but the Radio reporters said that people now wouldn't tolerate it - especially younger people. I agree.

It has been sad to hear booing of the National anthems of other countries at recent England games, but this is a small group of idiots, probably the older generation (gammon types) at the game. They are not representative of the 23 million who watched it on ITV.

I bet if the Mirror last week had tried to go with headlines like "....“Achtung! Surrender - For you Fritz, ze Euro Championship is over!” (which was how they tried to stir up things ahead of the '96 game) it would have been called out for what it was and sales would have reflected that.

Are papers much of a thing these days anyway! what with smart phones and the interweb thing.

See: https://www.indy100.com/news/england-germany-euros-football-problematic-b1874916

“Whisper it quietly, but British today’s tabloid coverage of England v Germany today is a far cry from “Let’s Blitz Fritz” spirit of 1996. Bawdy, brash and fun, but also respectful.”

 

[mat]

The British public has always had an issue with the EU: the glee with which the Sun and Mail readers lap up any story about gunboats sailing off to bomb Pierre or Fritz over cod has always been embarrassing. The 'war story' headlines whenever there is an England football match, similar.

I'm just waiting for the first white flag or reverse headline.

 

[oldius]

I can't quite agree with this, especially the football part.

I heard a thing on Radio 5 recently (just before the England v Germany game) and it mentioned some of the tabloid coverage prior to the 1996 match between the same countries, it was appalling, nasty and jingoistic, but the Radio reporters said that people now wouldn't tolerate it - especially younger people. I agree.

It has been sad to hear booing of the National anthems of other countries at recent England games, but this is a small group of idiots, probably the older generation (gammon types) at the game. They are not representative of the 23 million who watched it on ITV.

I bet if the Mirror last week had tried to go with headlines like "....“Achtung! Surrender - For you Fritz, ze Euro Championship is over!” (which was how they tried to stir up things ahead of the '96 game) it would have been called out for what it was and sales would have reflected that.

Are papers much of a thing these days anyway! what with smart phones and the interweb thing.

See: https://www.indy100.com/news/england-germany-euros-football-problematic-b1874916

“Whisper it quietly, but British today’s tabloid coverage of England v Germany today is a far cry from “Let’s Blitz Fritz” spirit of 1996. Bawdy, brash and fun, but also respectful.”

Today's headline in The Mail is that the Danes were Gelded.

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

Not my words...


Seven of England’s starting XI have parents or grandparents born overseas.
This team, made up of players with roots across the globe, have brought people together across communities and divides. ⁣
As we celebrate their incredible success, we recognise that diversity and immigration are what make this team inspiring.⁣
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Not everyone who comes to the UK will be a champion and nor should they have to be. But every single person deserves safety, justice and the opportunity to fulfil their potential.

 

[generobinson]

Today's headline in The Mail is that the Danes were Gelded.

Definition: Geld - deprive of vitality or vigor (gelded past tense of geld). Bearing in mind they were ground down by England and by extra time, when we had made one substitution whilst they had made five and yet we still looked fitter, it is not a bad verb to use.

Now, I’m sure you are referring to the other term, to do with race horses, but was the Daily Mail? Possibly, but its not exactly: ‘Watch out, Krauts, England are gonna bomb you to bits at Wembley’ from 1996, is it?

I actually thought it was a pretty rubbish headline, not very funny and I for one had to goolie it, to understand it! Is it offensive? A bit I suppose… is it as offensive as this report in the same paper regarding how the Danes are reacting: “Danish media have hit out at refereeing decisions and 'cowardly tricks' that they believe cost them a place in the Euros final on Sunday - while telling readers they are still 'lucky' to live in Denmark because of the UK's Covid death toll.”

Not in my eyes.

P.S. To play devils advocate for a moment, may I ask your view on this famous (for City fans) image?

 

[oldius]

Definition: Geld - deprive of vitality or vigor (gelded past tense of geld). Bearing in mind they were ground down by England and by extra time, when we had made one substitution whilst they had made five and yet we still looked fitter, it is not a bad verb to use.

Now, I’m sure you are referring to the other term, to do with race horses, but was the Daily Mail? Possibly, but its not exactly: ‘Watch out, Krauts, England are gonna bomb you to bits at Wembley’ from 1996, is it?

I actually thought it was a pretty rubbish headline, not very funny and I for one had to google it, to understand it! Is it offensive? A bit I suppose… is it as offensive as this report in the same paper regarding how the Danes are reacting: “Danish media have hit out at refereeing decisions and 'cowardly tricks' that they believe cost them a place in the Euros final on Sunday - while telling readers they are still 'lucky' to live in Denmark because of the UK's Covid death toll.”

Not in my eyes.

P.S. To play devils advocate for a moment, may I ask your view on this famous (for City fans) image?

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Great point. I remember loving this back in the day but now it makes me cringe.
Depriving of vitality and vigour might be the dictionary definition but in the equine world, it means cutting of the goolies.

 

[metalblue]

And because of that, the EU is an easy foil. The problems we have in the UK have very little to do with the EU yet read those papers and you would think that UK governments have been powerless against the bureaucrats and that they and their citizens have crushed the UK's spirit, its economy, and its sense of togetherness. It amazes me that the British territories are recognised as the global centre of tax avoidance but many believe that the problem with our public services is because of immigration. I am perplexed that one in four major UK companies pay zero tax but 2,000 men a year in dingies are the main reason that Elsie can't get a doctor's appointment and Joey cannot get a place in school. We sign arms deals that send weapons to a tinderbox and then complain that citizens in that region need help, and celebrate the culling of foreign aid. We spend £34bn on an app but have the lowest state pension in Europe...come on!

Meanwhile, my friend who works for the National Trust is threatened and abused, daily, because she and her team wish to state that a house built in the 18th century was built for someone who owned a sugar plantation in the West Indies, manned by slave labour. Our priorities are, to me, farcical.

We didn’t spend £34bn or even £37bn on an app at all. Firstly this is the budget not money spent. Secondly of the £37bn budget about £43m was spent on the app (which is an extraordinarily large sum for something that is worse than the Domino’s pizza ordering app). The vast majority of the money spent, by some way, has gone on - or is allocated to - testing - it’s over £20bn.

That’s not to say some serious questions don’t need answering but to say £34/37bn was spent on an app is just plain wrong.