Private vs NHS

[bluethrunthru]

He's chosen to go private as he gets paid sick time off, but it's going to cost him £6500.

good rate of sick pay is that lol

 

[mexico1970]

good rate of sick pay is that lol

I can remember a scheme called the Saturday club where people in hospital got paid more than their daily wage when they were laid up in hospital.

 

[Fat Larrys Band]

I have an umbilical hernia and saw the GP a couple of weeks ago. He said he would refer me for an operation. Three days ago I received a text from the referral unit asking to ring them.
Did so today, the girl went through a list of all the hospitals in Greater Manchester and I asked which had the shortest wait times, unfortunately they don't know that information.
I picked a hospital which my partner could drive to (sadly she's a crap driver) when the girl said that she could offer me a apt at a private hospital which could do it, providing that I didn't have co morbidities, like a fool I said book me in. Apt made for 4 week's hence.
I then googled it and and discovered I have at least 5... I always thought it meant something that was life threatening. Guess I will be back on the merry go round sooner than I expected.

 

[Nethermoor]

I had my MRI yesterday.

3 days I will have my results.

My mum who is in remission for Cancer has yearly checkups and her MRI's are booked in 3-4 weeks in advance and regularly get moved about. And It takes weeks to get the results.

This is no dig at the NHS by the way. It's not their fault... we all know who's to blame really.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Collegue at work needs surgery on his back. In constant agony and it's affecting his job.

The NHS stated that they would only perform the surgery if he reached the target weight of 10 stones (he's about 14st) and must stay at that weight for about a year, during which they'd perform a number of various tests to ensure he could have the treatment, all in all he was told he would need to wait about 18 months before they did the surgery.

He's chosen to go private as he gets paid sick time off, but it's going to cost him £6500. He's scheduled for surgery at the end of this month. What a wonderful system we have.

Not quite as bad as your colleague but I had a frozen shoulder for about six months that was very painful and disrupted everything I did. Went through lots of tests on private MRI, etc etc to be told they had found some old damage to a vertebrae and the pain must be from that. My expensive consultants advice was to grit my teeth and get used to the pain. I was even offered a bloody pai clinic at an extortionate cost.
Had 4 sessions at acupuncture which cost me £80 and it was permanently cured.

 

[supercity88]

I had my MRI yesterday.

3 days I will have my results.

My mum who is in remission for Cancer has yearly checkups and her MRI's are booked in 3-4 weeks in advance and regularly get moved about. And It takes weeks to get the results.

This is no dig at the NHS by the way. It's not their fault... we all know who's to blame really.

My Mum had the same with her cancer treatment. Pushed between two different hospitals with an oncologist who worked 2 days in one, 1 day in the other and 2 days private. One consultation between the different specialists a week and always someone missing which meant huge delays. She had a surgeon suggesting one thing, an oncologist saying something else and it was so piss poor. She was once called at 3am to say results of a test she'd done a week before had come back with extreme results so she needed to urgently get to A&E. So my Dad took her in. She sat in the waiting room for 4 hours before they then got her into another waiting room as she waited for a bed to be available. Absolutely no strategic thinking. Why call a woman who was basically on end of life care to come in at 3am - surely you know there's no fucking room for them!

My Mrs meanwhile has been going through private for a breathing issue she has had for a while. It's so quick, very well organised and people speak to each other. And these people work for the NHS too. But that's part of the problem.

The government urgently need to get some experts, and I mean experts - not some fella from their pub, to go and review the NHS. There's plenty of money to be saved if they look at it properly. Waste being the critical one. There's so much waste which means they're essentially throwing money away.

I recognise there are a lot of people in the country and a huge backlog but they need to recruit heavily to bring in more.

My Mum might still be alive if things were different. Probably not, but maybe. And tens of thousands will have died because of delays. Get recruitment going! Get all of these migrants into training and get them working in the NHS! The answer isn't cheap, but it needs to happen.

The NHS is well celebrated in this country. It's something to be proud of. The majority stood and clapped NHS workers during covid, before Boris fucked them and didn't give them any more money. Would people mind spending an extra couple of quid a week to help fund it? I certainly wouldn't.

 

[M16 citeh]

Fuck me you were in for an MRI that fast! I need a yearly MRI and the amount of fucking about the NHS put me through is crazy. And the flipping machine is about 30 years old. I always think the amount of dirty money swishing about in this city and they can't afford another 1 mil for a flipping MRI machine! The private system relies on the NHS machine so private patients get bumped up the que at the expense of the plebs

 

[inbetween]

Yes a lot of people will blame the government because that's exactly who is to blame.

What is the answer though? It seems for many the only answer when it come to the NHS is a blank cheque but even that will never be enough.

NHS spending is well above average globally and is on par with the rest of Europe who have far superior systems, we should be doing better with what we have.

For me the NHS represents the same as most infrastructure in the UK, it suffers under it's own weight because it is old and decrepid, some things are still based upon practices that haven't changed since WW2. It needs a total rethink, root and stem.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

One thing that needs pointing out is that the consultants you see privately are the exact same ones you see through the NHS. The hospitals might be nicer but the clinical side is exactly the same and the NHS has the most advanced kit and the broadest range. If something goes wrong in a private hospital you often end up with the NHS fixing the issue.

Private hospitals are just a way of paying to jump the queue. And we only have horrendous queues because of decades of tory mismanagement. Many tories would love to scrap the NHS. Running it into the ground is the only way that idea ever becomes credible as the best health care systems in the world are all modeled on what the NHS was and should be.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

What is the answer though? It seems for many the only answer when it come to the NHS is a blank cheque but even that will never be enough.

NHS spending is well above average globally and is on par with the rest of Europe who have far superior systems, we should be doing better with what we have.

Sophistry and dishonesty. Who cares how the NHS compares to El Salvador or Botswana?

The NHS in England/UK hasn't increased it's spending to meet demand for its services due to an aging population, where as European countries of comparable wealth and demographics have.

For me the NHS represents the same as most infrastructure in the UK, it suffers under it's own weight because it is old and decrepid, some things are still based upon practices that haven't changed since WW2. It needs a total rethink, root and stem.

. The UK has fewer doctors and nurses​

Another area where the UK is strikingly different to comparator countries is in staffing. The below chart shows fewer doctors and fewer nurses per 1,000 people than the average in our basket. While some countries do, for example, have fewer nurses, many counterbalance that by having more doctors. The UK is remarkable as it scores low on both. High vacancy rates and staff dissatisfaction show that the current number is insufficient.

Comparing the NHS to the health care systems of other countries: five charts

Saoirse Mallorie pulls out just five measures to illustrate the mixed bag of findings from our new report, which analyses how the NHS compares to the health care systems of other countries.

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