Private vs NHS

[I'm With Stupid]

What is the answer though? It seems for many the only answer when it come to the NHS is a blank cheque but even that will never be enough.

NHS spending is well above average globally and is on par with the rest of Europe who have far superior systems, we should be doing better with what we have.

For me the NHS represents the same as most infrastructure in the UK, it suffers under it's own weight because it is old and decrepid, some things are still based upon practices that haven't changed since WW2. It needs a total rethink, root and stem.

I mean it says it right there at the top "as a percentage of GDP." So there are two ways to increase that. The first is to actually increase spending, and the second is to tank the GDP. You'll notice that the two biggest increase on there are the 2008 financial crisis and covid. Do you really think the NHS budgets were increased from 7 to 9% overnight, or did the GDP shrink massively instead? But as everyone has said a million times, it's not really about the NHS budget, it's about the slashing of budgets to all of the ancillary services that then fall on the NHS. Like how the slashing of youth services gives the police more shit to deal with on the same resources. The Tories have been a disaster for public services (which everyone always expected anyway), but they've also been an economic disaster (which some people still believe is their forte) so there's less money to spend on those same public services. If you're blaming inefficiencies, then who is to blame for that? I would suggest the government that's been in power for 13 years is the best place to start looking.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Everything has been stripped back to the bare bones except for levels of management. I’m a band 8 ANP and have at least 5 levels of non clinical management between me and the ceo. I struggle to see what they all do. They’ve just revamped the management structure in Newcastle at a cost of over £1m only for the ceo to put her notice in unexpectedly. The same ceo that resigned in Cumbria under a cloud and was allowed to take up a more senior role in newcastle. The senior level of management is corrupt to the core. The constant battles between senior consultants and the business side is embarrassing. When I started in the 90’s the ward sister/charge nurse was ‘human resources’ now there’s a whole office block on the city outskirts with over 500 HR staff.

HR is the bain of the workplace in my opinion, we got a new chief around 18 years ago in Manchester he created a HR department staffed by civvies, that department grew into a monster, a typical company has around 1.4 hrto 100 people, we had 1 to 3! And those fuckers were not on low wages, it was a nightmare, when that **** left yes Mcguirk I’m looking at you, it was drastically cut but still big. The thing was HR actually thought that the brigade was there for them and not us, the turnover in the staff was another issue, uniformed staff tend to stay in positions a lot longer, civilian staff are in a revolving door, come in create shit policies and then fuck off with no come back, rinse and repeat.

 

[Pedestrian]

HR is the bain of the workplace in my opinion, we got a new chief around 18 years ago in Manchester he created a HR department staffed by civvies, that department grew into a monster, a typical company has around 1.4 hrto 100 people, we had 1 to 3! And those fuckers were not on low wages, it was a nightmare, when that **** left yes Mcguirk I’m looking at you, it was drastically cut but still big. The thing was HR actually thought that the brigade was there for them and not us, the turnover in the staff was another issue, uniformed staff tend to stay in positions a lot longer, civilian staff are in a revolving door, come in create shit policies and then fuck off with no come back, rinse and repeat.

Very similar to my experiences in the NHS.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

The problem with private health services is that they’re geared up well to be efficient for your average Jack. Don’t try to be a little bit complicated though or you’re absolutely fucked.

I’ve had private care through work for over 5 years and to say they won’t touch me with a barge pole is an understatement. I went to a private doctor that I paid out of pocket because private health wouldn’t cover me and my GP was fucking useless. They ended up helping refer me BACK into the NHS.

I’m now under Stanmore Orthopaedic Hospital who are the tertiary specialist hospital in this field and have to say they are superb. I’d seen three different specialists within a month. Within 6 weeks I’d been fully scanned, diagnosed and started a treatment path to recovery.

Fuck private care. They are out to make money. Therefore they will never serve the people who really need health care the most in this country. Those who are born with rare and serious conditions that they can’t make a buck from.

Well that’s the point of insurance isn’t it? To make money. Insurers generally won’t cover management of chronic conditions because if they did the premiums would have to increase so much that most couldn’t afford them

 

[Rascal]

Everything has been stripped back to the bare bones except for levels of management. I’m a band 8 ANP and have at least 5 levels of non clinical management between me and the ceo. I struggle to see what they all do. They’ve just revamped the management structure in Newcastle at a cost of over £1m only for the ceo to put her notice in unexpectedly. The same ceo that resigned in Cumbria under a cloud and was allowed to take up a more senior role in newcastle. The senior level of management is corrupt to the core. The constant battles between senior consultants and the business side is embarrassing. When I started in the 90’s the ward sister/charge nurse was ‘human resources’ now there’s a whole office block on the city outskirts with over 500 HR staff.

Hopefully the new REVAL intitiative will change this