Prorogation - Judgment Day:10.30am Tuesday 24/9/19

I neither see SNP millitia's, n'or complete disregard for law and democratic institutions. No indicatio that they would overpwer democracy trough sheer force. Feel free to scrutinise them, they are certaintly nationalist and even potential sepperatists though as a Flemming i'm rather highly supportive of a Scottish desire for more sovereignity. I don't know the SNP well enough, but i think you'd need pretty damnig things to turn them from nationalists into "facists".

I bever called them facist, I said the tendancies that come with some parts of facism, ultra nationalism, xenophobia, that is what I equated them with.


Also as a socialist with leanings towards anarcho-communism I am an internationalist.
 
I think facism comes in many forms, not all facist go to the extremes of the third riech..

Facism's main tenet is (typicly racial) "strenght", from that perspective democracy is only justified in as far as it can defend itself and facists will use all means possible to challenge it. Society is distinctly ruled by certain "social darwinistic tenets", aka "the best" succeed ... or even survive.

You cannot however argue that "a move to increase one's own power" is distinctivly facist. What if a monarch tries to extend the power of monarchy and nobillety? What if he does that to institute enlightend monarchy?

There (also) has to be a difference between the act of dislodging democracy in favour of another system of rule and the more specific form that that new system of rule takes. I'm sure one could understand that similar tactics to dismantle democracy could be used by different ideoligies.
Stalinists could easily use the same tricks facists used to get into power, would they then be facists by virtue of having used the same means to power?
 
Facism's main tenet is (typicly racial) "strenght", from that perspective democracy is only justified in as far as it can defend itself and facists will use all means possible to challenge it. Society is distinctly ruled by certain "social darwinistic tenets", aka "the best" succeed ... or even survive.

Illegally closing parliament to force through a policy that has no mandate in parliament or the public you could say.
 
Illegally closing parliament to force through a policy that has no mandate in parliament or the public you could say.

And loosing.

He had to respect the rule of law. It's certaintly damnable that he would question that or even undermine their authority as he seems to do. I'm very critical of him, but a bit of a stronger and in particular more succesfull facist would succesfully made the SC shut up whatever it took.
 
Yeah well Jess Phillips and other MPs should remember their own language. She said she would stab Corbyn not in the back but in the front if he jeopardised the chances of a future labour govt.

Nice lady.

Bercow made it clear that politicians on all sides should calm their language. Now I'm not defending Johnson's behaviour the other night - in fact, I think he should've resigned in the wake of the Supreme Court judgement the other day - but it appears to me that while his use of words was clumsy, some are trying to twist it as him disrespecting Jo Cox. Firstly, it was a Labour MP who brought up Jo's murder. Secondly, Johnson was responding in relation to that. Thirdly, I read his comment about Jo and "getting Brexit done" as a nod to honouring the public vote, and while Jo was a Remainer she would've respected the vote. Fourthly, Jo's husband - while critical of Johnson's comments - felt that it was sloppy as opposed to anything more sinister, and echoed Bercow's words that politicians on all sides should refrain from using inflammatory words. Fifthly, and despite this request, Jeremy Corbyn then went and used Jo's murder to score points against Johnson.

For me, all sides are as guilty as each other in using inflammatory language and none of them are coming across well at all.
 
For me, all sides are as guilty as each other in using inflammatory language and none of them are coming across well at all.

It is imho more damning in the case of Johnson (and the sitting goverment) because he is in a higher position of responsabillety. The Pm in fact has set the recent tone to a large degree, creating a culture of partisan attacks to hide his errors.
 
It is imho more damning in the case of Johnson (and the sitting goverment) because he is in a higher position of responsabillety. The Pm in fact has set the recent tone to a large degree, creating a culture of partisan attacks to hide his errors.

Oh, I don't disagree that as PM he should carry more responsibility. That much is obvious. Most of them need to have a word with themselves though and calm the fuck down
 
And loosing.

He had to respect the rule of law. It's certaintly damnable that he would question that or even undermine their authority as he seems to do. I'm very critical of him, but a bit of a stronger and in particular more succesfull facist would succesfully made the SC shut up whatever it took.

He’s a fascist then, just a useless one.

Got it.
 

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