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Protest v Wolves
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mancityvstoke
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Bournemouth Blue
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It used to be so simple, you turned up with cash, bought a ticket at the turnstile, and got in. If you turned up late and missed out, because the ground was full, your loss. I regularly went to Maine Road and never once bought a ticket in advance, and just made sure I got there an hour or so before kick-off, and always got in, most games were full house.
Saddleworth2
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There is still a great deal to win. Every concession has been hard fought and day ticket pricing remains ridiculous as is the 10 match ultimatum. I still have no idea what they are trying to achieve with that. If season ticket holders are leaving their seats empty than the club knows that and if it is done too often then the club can act. The vast majority of season ticket holders that cant attend fill the seat either by transfering it to fellow blues or selling it on the exchange. Can someone please explain why the club has chosen to do this?
Really_here
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100% how it should be but with a simple option to buy a season ticket, the current situation / system(s) is incomprehensible to me and only there to generate additional revenue.
They're probably not selling on the exchange.
hammersmithlad
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Here here...shall definitely be joining the protest tonight.
Very surprising the amount of supporters on here seemingly placated by the bare minimum nuggets acknowledged by the club.
You go abroad & they laugh at not just City but most Premier League fans seemingly walking into a Disneyland fair ground experience for the rich. No supporter activism will enable all the football owners to basically turn the Premier League & co into the wild west which is American Sports franchises. I encourage you all to investigate how much they pay for season tickets for American football & baseball over there...its eye-watering & basically come to to this because the owners have been allowed to.
People are right on here though that its simply a day job for the execs & directors to do their job & hit targets. Very few are fans of the club, let alone interested in football. Its all about maximising revenue at whatever costs. Long term implications are someone else's problem.
Surely supporters can see the club's engagement with supporter's groups are at a bare minimum & done for a reason. They can run it how they see fit, unless challenged.
The late evening ST update yesterday is all strategically planned. No real concrete details committed & you just know the directors are hurting in scrapping the planned 2.8% increase for next season.
If the club were really engaged with the supporters & their representatives you would have surely thought some open planned debate would have occurred in going from a previously unrestricted attendance requirement to 10 with all the implications that go with this unprecedented club policy. Nothing, just issued without even giving the CM reps a heads-up. Yes, a great way to showcase the club engaged with their supporters.
Finally & most importantly match day prices are ridiculously priced. Someone can't honestly tell me there's any justification in setting the prices as they are, especially in comparison to similar fixture for other PL team. Screams of some exec drawing a straight-line method of forecasted revenue, with no benchmarks & variables taken into account. Could even be a scene out of the Apprentice with Claude Littner tearing apart these forecast models.
Long-story short, keep on protesting as at the very least it will make the club think twice about other money-baked schemes planned in the future without any sort of supporter push-back.
MrCheeseGrater
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The changes to Flexi-Gold finally make it worthwhile as a product. They ARE Season Tickets, despite previously being (deliberately) flawed to boost Club revenue. The additional fee free, clear pathway from these to Gold STs are a massive improvement.
The commitment to re-release lapsed STs this summer is also a positive. The downside is that these will only be released as Flexis. Although the Flexi scheme will be far better than it has been this season, the choice of Flexi or Gold should still be available to members.
Realistically, it's likely too late to get a change on the Club's policy for next season's new ST release, so imo we should accept the compromise for this season.
However, that does not mean we shouldn't continue the fight next season. With the expansion, at least 4000 new STs will be available. City Matters and the fan groups should push for members to have a choice between Flexi and Gold. Also, I think that this 4000 figure is still too low (the ST% in the ground would be far lower than 2019).
2 other key issues still exist and were not mentioned in last night's statement, which is why I support the protest going ahead tonight, and further demonstrations.
1) Matchday prices are still far top high, hence the inevitable thousands of empty seats tonight.
2) The 10 game minimum attendance for ST holders is too harsh. Although they will likely be lenient to the many with "acceptable" reasons, so many supporters should not have to be in the position of having to justify themselves to the club to keep their ST. I have severe doubts whether the Club's ticket office could even deal with the extra administration this'll bring.
The commitment to re-release lapsed STs this summer is also a positive. The downside is that these will only be released as Flexis. Although the Flexi scheme will be far better than it has been this season, the choice of Flexi or Gold should still be available to members.
Realistically, it's likely too late to get a change on the Club's policy for next season's new ST release, so imo we should accept the compromise for this season.
However, that does not mean we shouldn't continue the fight next season. With the expansion, at least 4000 new STs will be available. City Matters and the fan groups should push for members to have a choice between Flexi and Gold. Also, I think that this 4000 figure is still too low (the ST% in the ground would be far lower than 2019).
2 other key issues still exist and were not mentioned in last night's statement, which is why I support the protest going ahead tonight, and further demonstrations.
1) Matchday prices are still far top high, hence the inevitable thousands of empty seats tonight.
2) The 10 game minimum attendance for ST holders is too harsh. Although they will likely be lenient to the many with "acceptable" reasons, so many supporters should not have to be in the position of having to justify themselves to the club to keep their ST. I have severe doubts whether the Club's ticket office could even deal with the extra administration this'll bring.
Cheadle_hulmeBlue
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Are we still protesting then? I will be in the Colin bell stand. Might be on my own based on some of the comments on here though lol
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It’s not confirmed though and they haven’t said how many of those will be in the north stand or how many will be flexi gold only or proper season tickets
Based on what you’re saying we should then have 40,000 season ticket holders.
Yes. :-)
You won’t be on your own.
There will still be 1000’s of us on the concourses throughout the Etihad.
MrCheeseGrater
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With that we'd still need another 5000 STs to reach the 2019 ST occupancy rate of 72.7% (40k STs in a 55k stadium).
Right now we're down to 37k STs in a reduced capacity stadium of 52900, so 70% STs.
With the discussed 4k new STs in 2026 and the approx 500 confirmed this summer, we'd be up to 42,500 STs in a 62k stadium when the North Stand opens. This is down to a 68.5% ST occupancy rate.
To return, as I think we should, to 2019 levels we'd need approximately 8000 new STs over the next 2 summers to reach an ST occupancy rate of 72.5% when the North Stand opens.
Sadly I don't think we'll ever reach 2019 % levels again as clearly the club's strategy is to reduce the % of STs in the stadium. I think the best we can hope for is that 70% of the 8000 additional capacity is released as new STs bringing us to 43.1k.
(existing 37k + this summer's 500 + 5600 aka 70% of the 8000 new seats)
Walk up and pay $20-$30 in the MLB, some stadiums are majority empty, only 1 in 30 teams regularly sells out, one gets about 15% capacity in a 50k stadium.
I'm not sure why you picked baseball as an example? They had to change the game to make it shorter as people stopped going.
“When’s the final, When’s the final, when’s the final kicking off? When’s the final kicking off?”
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You choose paragraph 4 and 5. Ignored paragraph 2 for some reason.
bearcityblu
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Here tonight in SS3 and will be joining the protest. As a long term season ticket holder with a chronic medical condition and who sometimes works Sundays find the 10 game rule offensive. I have always made my seat available either via exchange or to fellow bluemooners if I can't make games. Plus sticking up for people who cant afford the match day prices and to stop the erosion of season ticket holders in the ground.
arcademik70
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Won't do any more back and forth as I've got the match to go to but it'll be what it is. People care about the issues in post 1 or they don't. It's really not any more complicated than that.
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I'm doing the protest in ES L3. Remember that old saying- if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything! :-)
You live a thousand miles away. Nobody gives a fuck what you think about season ticket prices mate. You've made it clear what you think about "local fans".
Exactly.