Protest v Wolves

I took part, but the numbers on the concourse around me were much less than at the previous (Leicester) one. Did voice some concerns about this particular protest when asked about this by one of the organisers in advance (fully agreed with sentiment, but felt messaging was a bit confused).

No idea if this has been flagged previously, but my missus said it would be miles more effective if everyone took their seats, then walked out at a set time. Might be a more powerful statement?
The messaging should be about the entire ticketing policy. I don't think it needs to be broken down into separate demonstrations.

Season ticket availability, the cost of match day tickets, the club syphoning off tickets to touts, should all fall under one roof of a broken ticketing policy that needs fixing.
 
I stayed down, although I thought it was the wrong time to do it because I felt the team needed our support.

Unfortunately I then found that there where people whose argument was that was there too many Muslims attending.

Maybe someone should tell them who is the reason we are winning trophies.
 
The messaging should be about the entire ticketing policy. I don't think it needs to be broken down into separate demonstrations.

Season ticket availability, the cost of match day tickets, the club syphoning off tickets to touts, should all fall under one roof of a broken ticketing policy that needs fixing.
Yeah, that’s the point I was clumsily trying to make. 9 minutes one week (for ticketing partners), six minutes the next (for the years without new season tickets) all felt a little bit disjointed to me. But what do I know!
 
which block were you in ric ?

it's hard enough co-ordinating this let alone anything that is even more complex !

we were more than happy with the numbers and we feel it was a point well made, done it twice now in a month in the modern premier era which is hard to achieve , some concessions made by club maybe pacified a few but the message from fans is what the club have suggested is not enough

we have plans to vary the tactics next season if the safety issues flare up again
We’re in 139 mate, so hardly the most militant of ends anyway!
 
Protests were a bit half hearted in East Stand Level 2. I assume the game kicked off slightly late as I was laughed at when I appeared after 5 and a half minutes.

I’m a bit disappointed a minority of the protest leaders are carrying on like City didn’t play. It was a brilliant night on the pitch and in the stands. All credit to South Stand Level 1 for leading an outstanding atmosphere in the second half. Really enjoyed

“We are not. We’re not really here”
 
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I stayed down, although I thought it was the wrong time to do it because I felt the team needed our support.

Unfortunately I then found that there where people whose argument was that was there too many Muslims attending.

Maybe someone should tell them who is the reason we are winning trophies.

That's nonsense. Possibly parody going over my head but if not, worse than anything even Marvin could have made up
 
Protests were a bit half hearted in East Stand Level 2. I assume the game kicked off slightly late as I was laughed at when I appeared after 5 and a half minutes.

I’m a bit disappointed a minority of the protest leaders are carrying on like City didn’t play. It was a brilliant night on the pitch and in the stands. All credit to South Stand Level 1 for leading an outstanding atmosphere in the second half. Really enjoyed it.

Been invited to meet some of the protest leaders before the Bournemouth game (thanks to the Ghost). I can feel a song coming on.

“We are not. We’re not really here”

Said to my mate on the way out that it was really enjoyable in the stands tonight. Best atmosphere for a long time
 
Yeah, that’s the point I was clumsily trying to make. 9 minutes one week (for ticketing partners), six minutes the next (for the years without new season tickets) all felt a little bit disjointed to me. But what do I know!
You're not wrong mate, the whole thing is a little confusing. But this is part of the point - we are all normal people, who are incidentally Manchester City fans in our own (supposedly) free time.

The people that are being protested against are very well paid individuals who have all day to think about their rebuttals to our fan groups. Yet they still come out with word salad rubbish. I am so glad that Blues didn't bow to these small crumbs the club gave us last night. Let's focus on atrocious match day prices and the new restrictions they've brought on us. Blues deserve better.

CTWD.
 
I think it is quite relevant to acknowledge that even if "only" 7,000 supporters got involved tonight, that still makes it in the top 5 most-attended stadium protests in Premier League history.

Of course none of us want to be seen like that Trafford lot, however in the 90s etc we were very well known for a protest. So we can't pretend it's a trait belonging to one of us or not. I would like to think that our protests are much more effective than their lots are....
 
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You're not wrong mate, the whole thing is a little confusing. But this is part of the point - we are all normal people, who are incidentally Manchester City fans in our own (supposedly) free time.

The people that are being protested against are very well paid individuals who have all day to think about their rebuttals to our fan groups. Yet they still come out with word salad rubbish. I am so glad that Blues didn't bow to these small crumbs the club gave us last night. Let's focus on atrocious match day prices and the new restrictions they've brought on us. Blues deserve better.

CTWD.
I doff my hat to the likes of you, Dante and the others that have organised these protests mate. The take up has been significant and helped to secure some concessions from the club, but agree it’s still not enough. Going to the game should be affordable for most local fans, and will continue to support any protests until that’s achieved.
 
I still find the obsession with flexi-golds a bit baffling. Especially now we know flexi-Golders often turn up for more games than “full season card holders”. It’s a bit of a charade tbf
Tim I did DM you from the 1894 twitter account couple of weeks ago saying we were going on podcasts talking about flexi gold and did you want to put your side across to a wider audience- the show had 3 flexi gold people on it. We surveyed fans and 131 FG members replied and said they should have a choice of FG or ST - not with a 16 game criteria to upgrade but that they should be able to get one without having to “prove their worth” as a City fan first, you yourself have loads of FG members in your branch, we are fighting they have the right to be full season card holders. It’s not good enough in the eyes of fans to just have a pathway to a season card - a difficult pathway jumping through various hoops and remembering to buy on time etc - the citymatters statement was liked on twitter by the club with a blue heart. For fans who want more they will see that the club is then trying to use citymatters for PR. I know the guys have worked hard they have had practice sessions and talked about what to say. But we pre-date citymatters by many years we pass on advice every day to many of them and have done for years and we say don’t be too close to the club, don’t accept the tunnel club tickets, don’t agree to joint statements all the time, but some distance between yourselves and the club so that you are able to go further.

Club’s behaviour towards citymatters has been coercive, they ignored the chair’s comments on modernisation and changing the governance of it, they ignored them on prices, on the actual way FG should be rolled out for example, they did what they want, all of a sudden citymatters is then at the request of some of their members, back by outside forces like ourselves- we start doing more joint statements, the bottom line is the club sees citymatters as it’s toy to get whatever it wants through, however doesn’t like to see fans giving their voice independently outside that bubble and not having to work under the constraints of how citymatters reps work with the club.

So what we have started seeing and what we will see moving forward is the club trying to play a PR game , giving some concessions to CM as they go along but still try and maintain a stranglehold over it. They would rather amplify citymatters voice and show the public “it is working” rather than feel they have to show they are giving in to “mob rule”.

The 3 protest groups plus solid citizens who signed the letter to pep this week know full well how it works politically at City, that City will give their announcements to CM reps first, which is why the date of the concourse protest was chosen for Wolves because it weaponised the citymatters meeting of 1st may ie here is a chance for the club to bring in season cards, reduce prices, change the reseller agreements, amend the attendance criteria but none of this happened, so of course the protest went ahead and was well supported. 7000 instead of 10000 but the first one was practically the biggest anywhere inside a stadium in the prem since the kop walk out. It’s still huge numbers. It’s like saying K2 isn’t as big as Everest.

The same now applies to the citymatters meeting on 12th June we would expect club to give some more concessions- they know the citymatters reps are supported by the fans outside the room.

Some of the citymatters reps might not appreciate that even now and might feel it’s taking some of the limelight away from them, if so that’s their issue. They have to see the strength of feeling from fans. Last season the season card rep didn’t read the room and didn’t understand the criticism when she didn’t sign the letter most of the others did. This year she has been working through the mails from fans and passing them all onto the club and we did thank her for her work - maybe that stuck in her throat slightly- but we are here to pass on feedback from fans and the issue was she was the season card rep and it was her area.

The ticketing sub group was bypassed in citymatters when the OSC were doing their own private negotiations with the club on securing more flexi gold for their members.

That undermines the whole point of citymatters. All the club have tried to do is try and stop protests happening and they have failed miserably.

Because they haven’t listened.

Flexi Gold isn’t the answer to getting rid of empty seats. The pricing and the way tickets are allocated is.
 
I still find the obsession with flexi-golds a bit baffling. Especially now we know flexi-Golders often turn up for more games than “full season card holders”. It’s a bit of a charade tbf
Tim I did DM you from the 1894 twitter account couple of weeks ago saying we were going on podcasts talking about flexi gold and did you want to put your side across to a wider audience- the show had 3 flexi gold people on it. We surveyed fans and 131 FG members replied and all but 3 said they should have a choice of FG or ST - not with a 16 game criteria to upgrade but that they should be able to get one without having to “prove their worth” as a City fan first, you yourself have loads of FG members in your branch, we are fighting they have the right to be full season card holders. It’s not good enough in the eyes of fans to just have a pathway to a season card - a difficult pathway jumping through various hoops and remembering to buy on time etc - the citymatters statement was liked on twitter by the club with a blue heart. For fans who want more they will see that the club is then trying to use citymatters for PR. I know the guys have worked hard they have had practice sessions and talked about what to say. But we pre-date citymatters by many years we pass on advice every day to many of them and have done for years and we say don’t be too close to the club, don’t agree to joint statements all the time, put some distance between yourselves and the club so that you are able to go further.

Club’s behaviour towards citymatters has been coercive, they ignored the chair’s comments on modernisation and changing the governance of it, they ignored them on prices, on the actual way FG should be rolled out for example, they did what they want, all of a sudden citymatters is then at the request of some of their members, backed by outside forces like ourselves- we start doing more joint statements, the bottom line is the club sees citymatters as it’s toy to get whatever it wants through, however doesn’t like to see fans giving their voice independently outside that bubble and not having to work under the constraints of how citymatters reps work with the club.

So what we have started seeing and what we will see moving forward is the club trying to play a PR game , giving some concessions to CM as they go along but still try and maintain a stranglehold over it. They would rather amplify citymatters voice and show the public “it is working” rather than feel they have to show they are giving in to “mob rule”.

The 3 protest groups plus solid citizens who signed the letter to pep this week know full well how it works politically at City, that City will give their announcements to CM reps first, which is why the date of the concourse protest was chosen for Wolves because it weaponised the citymatters meeting of 1st may ie here is a chance for the club to bring in season cards, reduce prices, change the reseller agreements, amend the attendance criteria but none of this happened, so of course the protest went ahead and was well supported. 7000 instead of 10000 but the first one was practically the biggest anywhere inside a stadium in the prem since the kop walk out. It’s still huge numbers. It’s like saying K2 isn’t as big as Everest.

The same now applies to the citymatters meeting on 12th June we would expect club to give some more concessions- they know the citymatters reps are supported by the fans outside the room.

Some of the citymatters reps might not appreciate that even now and might feel it’s taking some of the limelight away from them, if so that’s their issue. They have to see the strength of feeling from fans. Last season the season card rep didn’t read the room and didn’t understand the criticism when she didn’t sign the letter most of the others did. This year she has been working through the mails from fans and passing them all onto the club and we did thank her for her work - maybe that stuck in her throat slightly- but we are here to pass on feedback from fans and the issue was she was the season card rep and it was her area.

The ticketing sub group was bypassed in citymatters when the OSC were doing their own private negotiations with the club on securing more flexi gold for their members.

That undermines the whole point of citymatters. All the club have tried to do is try and stop protests happening and they have failed miserably.

Because they haven’t listened.

Ticket Agents.

Exchange Ticket Profiteering.

Match Day Prices.

Initiatives,incentives & involvement for Manchester youngsters.

Away game allocations.

Communication/ involvement with the entire fanbase.

All need sorting. Yet the club uses the meetings to try and justify inflationary price rises.

The fans don’t like it when some of the reps defend the club at all costs. They are there to represent the fans not the club. Club can do their own PR.

Flexi Gold isn’t the answer to getting rid of empty seats. The pricing and the way tickets are allocated .

Last night really strengthens CM’s hand if all of the reps want it to.

1) The Club need to go further - the stuff they’ve offered isn’t enough.

2) The Club need to be engaging much earlier, not rushing out statements the night before a protest. Just to avert a protest.

Credit to you Tim if you took part, remember it was 6 minutes not 5 and a half !
 
I thought the atmosphere was great last night, well done to 1894 and the south stand, a bit quiet in the first few mins but very good after that. Near us last night in the family stand we had about 50 people dotted around us singing most of the time, best atmosphere near us for a non big match (ie other than a Derby, Madrid, Bayern etc), really enjoyed last night. Still the majority just sit in their hands though and that’s a shame
 
Tim I did DM you from the 1894 twitter account couple of weeks ago saying we were going on podcasts talking about flexi gold and did you want to put your side across to a wider audience- the show had 3 flexi gold people on it. We surveyed fans and 131 FG members replied and said they should have a choice of FG or ST - not with a 16 game criteria to upgrade but that they should be able to get one without having to “prove their worth” as a City fan first, you yourself have loads of FG members in your branch, we are fighting they have the right to be full season card holders. It’s not good enough in the eyes of fans to just have a pathway to a season card - a difficult pathway jumping through various hoops and remembering to buy on time etc - the citymatters statement was liked on twitter by the club with a blue heart. For fans who want more they will see that the club is then trying to use citymatters for PR. I know the guys have worked hard they have had practice sessions and talked about what to say. But we pre-date citymatters by many years we pass on advice every day to many of them and have done for years and we say don’t be too close to the club, don’t accept the tunnel club tickets, don’t agree to joint statements all the time, but some distance between yourselves and the club so that you are able to go further.

Club’s behaviour towards citymatters has been coercive, they ignored the chair’s comments on modernisation and changing the governance of it, they ignored them on prices, on the actual way FG should be rolled out for example, they did what they want, all of a sudden citymatters is then at the request of some of their members, back by outside forces like ourselves- we start doing more joint statements, the bottom line is the club sees citymatters as it’s toy to get whatever it wants through, however doesn’t like to see fans giving their voice independently outside that bubble and not having to work under the constraints of how citymatters reps work with the club.

So what we have started seeing and what we will see moving forward is the club trying to play a PR game , giving some concessions to CM as they go along but still try and maintain a stranglehold over it. They would rather amplify citymatters voice and show the public “it is working” rather than feel they have to show they are giving in to “mob rule”.

The 3 protest groups plus solid citizens who signed the letter to pep this week know full well how it works politically at City, that City will give their announcements to CM reps first, which is why the date of the concourse protest was chosen for Wolves because it weaponised the citymatters meeting of 1st may ie here is a chance for the club to bring in season cards, reduce prices, change the reseller agreements, amend the attendance criteria but none of this happened, so of course the protest went ahead and was well supported. 7000 instead of 10000 but the first one was practically the biggest anywhere inside a stadium in the prem since the kop walk out. It’s still huge numbers. It’s like saying K2 isn’t as big as Everest.

The same now applies to the citymatters meeting on 12th June we would expect club to give some more concessions- they know the citymatters reps are supported by the fans outside the room.

Some of the citymatters reps might not appreciate that even now and might feel it’s taking some of the limelight away from them, if so that’s their issue. They have to see the strength of feeling from fans. Last season the season card rep didn’t read the room and didn’t understand the criticism when she didn’t sign the letter most of the others did. This year she has been working through the mails from fans and passing them all onto the club and we did thank her for her work - maybe that stuck in her throat slightly- but we are here to pass on feedback from fans and the issue was she was the season card rep and it was her area.

The ticketing sub group was bypassed in citymatters when the OSC were doing their own private negotiations with the club on securing more flexi gold for their members.

That undermines the whole point of citymatters. All the club have tried to do is try and stop protests happening and they have failed miserably.

Because they haven’t listened.

Flexi Gold isn’t the answer to getting rid of empty seats. The pricing and the way tickets are allocated is.

It’s a minor issue for many, and in relation to the bigger issues around access to season tickets but the double points 50 pound tariff is an absolute disgrace.

I’ve never paid the 50 quid, even though I could afford it, because morally you should not be able to buy points/loyalty and get better access to tickets than those who can’t afford it. Similarly those who go away regularly should not have to pay an extra 50 quid to keep up with their peers.

It’s small beer, I fully understand that, but perfectly encapsulates the clubs greed at the expense of the fans.
 
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