PSG ticket prices - Protest options v West Brom.

[Blue Mooner]

Paul. You obviously haven't been following the different threads. The press have been very supportive of our unhappiness and a possible protest. Apart from us, the vast majority of other football fans are also pist off with continual ticket price rises.

No offence, but if the majority were like you, and we didn't have groups of football fans up and the country campaigning and protesting about the price of tickets with all the new TV money, etc, flowing into the clubs coffers, we wouldn't now have £30 away tickets for 3 season's, and clubs up and down the country wouldn't be either freezing or reducing ticket prices, with Everton being the latest.

• ALL Adult Season Ticket prices reduced by more than 5%.
• Junior price age category extended by two years from 16 to 18.
• Junior Season Tickets reduced by £50 from £199 to £149 in all stands other than the Family Enclosure. Family Enclosure frozen at £149.
• Young Adult Season Ticket extended up to the age of 22 and priced at £299 in all stands.
• All Senior (65 and over) Season Tickets reduced to £299 in all stands.
• Kids’ (up to 11) Season Tickets frozen at £95.
• Adult prices start at just over £22 per game.
• Concession prices:
  - Up to 11: £5 per game
  - 11 to 18: less than £8 per game
  - Young adults 18-22: less than £16 per game
• One in four of our current Season Ticket holders is under the age of 22.
• Season Tickets on sale from Monday 21 March at 8am.

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2016/03/04/season-ticket-prices-reduced

If Everton can do that, why can't the so called richest club in the World do something similar?

Is the penny dropping yet Paul, or are you going to continue your belligerent one Man stand against any form of action or protest regarding season ticket and matchday ticket prices at City?

You missed the fact that Everton have just been bought by a multi billionaire alongside the fact Everton have only won 4 games at home this season. A club at the start of a similar journey to one that we took 8 years ago it's hardly a surprising move to generate positivity around their club after an abject season.

Much as City fans might try and paint a similar scenario we are now on a different level, world renowned brand in a state of the art stadium and have just signed up the world's best manager and under those circumstances you expect City to reduce season ticket prices!? You're not comparing apples to apples.

 

[jrb]

You're right of course, but you're calling on deaf ears, these fans simply don't get it. Rather than working with the club and believing that we all have a common goal - look at Soriano's recent speech - these fans would rather create a divide between the club and fans, and between fans and fans. They simply revel in a crisis, it's what they've grown up with, it's probably what attracted many of them to support City in the first place.

They seem to think they are a acting on behalf of the rest of us but I can assure you they don't represent me or doubtless thousands of other fans. The club have a fan engagement platform called city voice where they survey the opinions of thousands of blues across all aspects of the club including ticket prices. I can only assume that survey indicates broad satisfaction with our ticket pricing policies as they are broadly in line if not less than most of our competitors. These fans seem to want the club to compete with one hand tied behind their back.

They're entitled to their view Re the club's ticket pricing policy, but creating division and shining a negative light on the club and creating further false perceptions on our club is the wrong way to go about it.

Write to the club, get fans groups to engage, complete the city voice surveys, join up unilaterally across fans of other clubs who feel the same is the right way to go about this - dmonstrating in isolation against the best ownership in world football and creating division is totally the wrong approach.

If that's what you think I am, and if that's what you think my ultimate goal is, to 'create a divide amongst the fans', then you as well as other's are well and truly wide of the mark. *All along all I have wanted is *affordable match tickets for all City fans*, so how is that creating divide?

You go on about writing to the club, etc. Season after season City fans have been complaining in public and to City officials about the continuing rise of ticket prices, yet ticket prices and different ways to increase ticket prices, pricing blocks(remember?), keep on being implemented by the club. If other PL clubs can either freeze or reduce season ticket and matchday ticket prices, why can't City, instead of increasing them?

I appreciate this is hyperthetical as next season's season ticket and matchday ticket prices haven't been made public yet by the club, but let's just say it's yet another price rise, minus the £299 season tickets released because of the expanded South stand, which may also go up, are you going to swallow another price rise, or are you going to write a letter to City complaining about it? And then what? Nothing!

Hopefully City have now got the message from ordinary fans like me and you, fan groups(1894), branches, and the official supporters club. Because via a combined protest and meetings with the club, they will know exactly how all City fans, even those against a protest, feel about season ticket and matchday ticket prices ATM.

 

[jrb]

You misunderstand me. I am not advocating higher ticket prices, I am however saying very clearly that protests and demonstrations are NOT the way to go about changing things.

I applaud Evertons price cuts. Have City released ticket prices for next season yet?

See above.

 

[blueparrot]

Paul. You obviously haven't been following the different threads. The press have been very supportive of our unhappiness and a possible protest. Apart from us, the vast majority of other football fans are also pist off with continual ticket price rises.

No offence, but if the majority were like you, and we didn't have groups of football fans up and the country campaigning and protesting about the price of tickets with all the new TV money, etc, flowing into the clubs coffers, we wouldn't now have £30 away tickets for 3 season's, and clubs up and down the country wouldn't be either freezing or reducing ticket prices, with Everton being the latest.

• ALL Adult Season Ticket prices reduced by more than 5%.
• Junior price age category extended by two years from 16 to 18.
• Junior Season Tickets reduced by £50 from £199 to £149 in all stands other than the Family Enclosure. Family Enclosure frozen at £149.
• Young Adult Season Ticket extended up to the age of 22 and priced at £299 in all stands.
• All Senior (65 and over) Season Tickets reduced to £299 in all stands.
• Kids’ (up to 11) Season Tickets frozen at £95.
• Adult prices start at just over £22 per game.
• Concession prices:
  - Up to 11: £5 per game
  - 11 to 18: less than £8 per game
  - Young adults 18-22: less than £16 per game
• One in four of our current Season Ticket holders is under the age of 22.
• Season Tickets on sale from Monday 21 March at 8am.

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2016/03/04/season-ticket-prices-reduced

If Everton can do that, why can't the so called richest club in the World do something similar?

Is the penny dropping yet Paul, or are you going to continue your belligerent one Man stand against any form of action or protest regarding season ticket and matchday ticket prices at City?

JRB, I'm in complete agreement with you over matchday ticket prices, I think s/c are in general OK with wide price range. I think they will be frozen and would have been anyway we'll never know.
Where I differ from you is we need a campaign over all match day prices and it's bad tactics to use your biggest weapons first if banners open up communications for 1894 then let's see how it goes.
You seem to be rushing to make it about PSG, it's not. In the context of matchday prices over the last 4 years it's priced OK, it's the context that is wrong and needs changing , as I posted earlier with my plus 30% idea. Nobody else seems to saying how the matchday tickets should be priced to go to the club with something to negotiate around if they decide to listen to fan groups.
As for PSG I don't think it will change now, there must be around 35000 / 40000 sold with less than 100 £60 tickets left.
So we should be looking at the bigger picture and give 1894 and supporters clubs time, to try their way and see what progress they make.
There seems to be a bit of an anti Soriano thing to this as if we can blame him and not the Sheik, personally I think these levels of matchday prices go back to 2011 when Cook was still there, and He might have taken his eye of the bal on this but has still made us one of the best run clubs in football.
Maybe part of this is this protest seems to be coming from s/c holders who apart from a few Prestwich Blue etc haven't really thought about matchday prices before and are now in a rush to do something about it, whereas people like me who have been paying this for years don't have quite the same urgency to make it about PSG, when at £50 for my son and me it will be one of our cheaper games.

 

[Blue Mooner]

If that's what you think I am, and if that's what you think my ultimate goal is, to 'create a divide amongst the fans', then you as well as other's are well and truly wide of the mark. *All along all I have wanted is *affordable match tickets for all City fans*, so how is that creating divide?

You the go on about writing to the club, etc. Season after season City fans have been complaing in public and to City officials about the continuing rise of ticket prices, yet ticket prices, and different ways to increase ticket prices, pricing blocks(remember?), keep on being implemented by the club. If other PL clubs can either freeze or reduce season ticket and matchday ticket prices, why can't City, instead of increasing them?

I appreciate this is hyperthetical as next season's season ticket and matchday ticket prices haven't been made public yet by the club, but let's just say it's yet another price rise, minus the £299 season tickets released because of the expanded South stand, which may also go up, are you going to swallow another price rise, or are you going to write a letter to City complaining about it? And then what? Nothing!

Hopefully City have now got the message from ordinary fans like me and you, fan groups(1894), branches, and the official supporters club. Because via a combined protest and meetings with the club, they will know exactly how all City fans, even those against a protest, feel about season ticket and matchday ticket prices ATM.

I'm all for lower ticket prices but I don't expect our club to do it in isolation when we are trying to compete with clubs who are charging more. It can't be beyond the whit of man for fans groups across the whole of the premier league to get together to complain about ticket prices and organise something unilaterally? That said I think City offer some of the cheapest seasoncards in the league with the value season card and if we expand again hopefully more of those will be made available.

In the meantime it's reasonable for those fans who feel the club's ticketing is pricing people out to lobby the club through formal channels, survey fans outside the ground and present the feedback to the club.

I feel sure that this board does care about its fans, and possibly even they might feel they got the PSG ticketing wrong, so lets work with them to get this sorted for the satisfaction of all.

 

[M18CTID]

You misunderstand me. I am not advocating higher ticket prices, I am however saying very clearly that protests and demonstrations are NOT the way to go about changing things.

I applaud Evertons price cuts. Have City released ticket prices for next season yet?

Why are you asking that? If you're a City fan, you'll know the answer already.

 

[Blue Mooner]

Why are you asking that? If you're a City fan, you'll know the answer already.

I think there was some irony in the question.

 

[M18CTID]

I think there was some irony in the question.

And I'll think you'll find that the club may be thinking twice about increasing ST prices for the SEVENTH year in a row.

I'll also add that your earlier post is a pile of tripe. We're already communicating with the club and no-one is advocating a war with them. If we achieve something (like we did with the £30 away tickets), we might ask the club to exclude anyone who we "don't speak for" such as yourself from any potential deals they can do for fans.

 

[quiet_riot]

We don't live in a bubble. What the press say has a huge impact on which team young fans support. Of course they don't hear this information first hand by reading the article itself but the sum of the articles build a picture of what people perceive to be true i.e City can't fill their ground, they are only a small club with no history. We know that this isn't true but it seems to be the current narrative. Demonstrating against the club only reinforces this gross misrepresentation.

But sadly for some that doesn't seem to matter. It appears that the 'fuck it' I'm kicking off even though it's monumentally stupid and against our best interests and the best interests of our club is the default position.

The response from some on here comes as no surprise, However I am hugely disappointed by the stance and response taken by Prestwich Blue. He really should know better and not fall for the mob mentality. Maybe he feels alienated by the PoB situation and has an axe to grind?

Whatever the case to suggest a demonstration or mass walk out will further our cause is folly in the extreme.

Against our best interests to take a stand before ticket prices price out even more blues? Bizarre.

The walk out was ONE OPTION mentioned at the start - something that hasn't been helped by lack of an 'official' poll on here, stickied and all that. In fact, other than PB, the lack of opinions on this from the mod team has been odd to say the least.

 

[jrb]

JRB, I'm in complete agreement with you over matchday ticket prices, I think s/c are in general OK with wide price range. I think they will be frozen and would have been anyway we'll never know.
Where I differ from you is we need a campaign over all match day prices and it's bad tactics to use your biggest weapons first if banners open up communications for 1894 then let's see how it goes.
You seem to be rushing to make it about PSG, it's not. In the context of matchday prices over the last 4 years it's priced OK, it's the context that is wrong and needs changing , as I posted earlier with my plus 30% idea. Nobody else seems to saying how the matchday tickets should be priced to go to the club with something to negotiate around if they decide to listen to fan groups.
As for PSG I don't think it will change now, there must be around 35000 / 40000 sold with less than 100 £60 tickets left.
So we should be looking at the bigger picture and give 1894 and supporters clubs time, to try their way and see what progress they make.
There seems to be a bit of an anti Soriano thing to this as if we can blame him and not the Sheik, personally I think these levels of matchday prices go back to 2011 when Cook was still there, and He might have taken his eye of the bal on this but has still made us one of the best run clubs in football.
Maybe part of this is this protest seems to be coming from s/c holders who apart from a few Prestwich Blue etc haven't really thought about matchday prices before and are now in a rush to do something about it, whereas people like me who have been paying this for years don't have quite the same urgency to make it about PSG, when at £50 for my son and me it will be one of our cheaper games.

Fair enough.

It's not just about PSG. But the £60 PSG ticket price was the tipping point-catalyst-spark that has ignited this protest-debate. Let's be honest, if tickets for that match had been priced in the £30's and £40's(being the most expensive), to fill the stadium, then this backlash wouldn 't have happened and gained momentum.

That aside, this is also about continuing season ticket and matchday ticket price rises. I admit the club made a very good gesture by releasing £299 season tickets via the expanded South stand, but in the same breath they hammered level 2 fans, even though they and we knew those massive season ticket price rises were coming in to attract the corps, but they also *price tiered the blocks*, which from my point of view was digustung. It was another clever and calculated way to increase season and match ticket prices. Why should one City fan pay more or less because they are sat one row further forward, or further back? As a club we have never price tiered blocks.

Like many I sincerely hope City have listened to this ground swell of noise from the fans about season ticket and matchday ticket prices, as well as the continual season ticket and matchday ticket price rises we've had to put up with since Sheikh Mansour bought the club. Yes, we've bought some of the World's best players to get where we are Today. And yes, we've been trying to play catch up financially with the likes of United, Chelsea, Arsenal, and Liverpool, which we've now achieved and surpassed, minus United. This now being the case, and with extra money coming in via the new PL prize money(£165 mill for the title winner next season), the on-going TV deal money, the new CL prize money, the new BT CL TV money, new and and better sponsorship deals, and a bigger Etihad stadium, generating more money, it really is time the club either froze season ticket and matchday ticket prices, or like Everton and other PL clubs, actually reduce season ticket and matchday ticket prices. If the club want it to happen it can be done. The question is, do they want It to happen? We'll find out in the coming weeks.