Queens Christmas Message

[PragueBlue]

The point I was making was that everyone should be born equal, then it's up to them what they achieve.
In the UK you can't be head of state unless you are born Royal.
In USA for example you can become it whatever your background.

Not reality though. People will be born into wealthy families, will be able to attend better schools and will have similar advantages to the royals etc whereas others will be born into a life of struggle.

Sure none of them will be able to be a royal but if you get rid of the royal family that doesn't really change what people can achieve.

 

[Bill Walker]

Not reality though. People will be born into wealthy families, will be able to attend better schools and will have similar advantages to the royals etc whereas others will be born into a life of struggle.

Sure none of them will be able to be a royal but if you get rid of the royal family that doesn't really change what people can achieve.

I think you are taking a British slant of things, you cannot be head of state in the United Kingdom unless you are born into the royal family.

Taking America as an example, quite a few ex presidents were born in quite poor and humble families. Harry s Truman is a typical example, they were not all from Rich stock like Donald Trump.

My point is, in America it is possible and has happened that you can be head of state without being born into a particular family.
Also it has been proved that your family doesn't have to be wealthy.

I am wholly against the idea that being born by an accident of birth allows you to be his or her royal highness, requiring your subjects to bow in your presence.

 

[WNRH]

I think you are taking a British slant of things, you cannot be head of state in the United Kingdom unless you are born into the royal family.

Taking America as an example, quite a few ex presidents were born in quite poor and humble families. Harry s Truman is a typical example, they were not all from Rich stock like Donald Trump.

My point is, in America it is possible and has happened that you can be head of state without being born into a particular family.
Also it has been proved that your family doesn't have to be wealthy.

I am wholly against the idea that being born by an accident of birth allows you to be his or her royal highness, requiring your subjects to bow in your presence.

I think you are taking a British slant of things, you cannot be head of state in the United Kingdom unless you are born into the royal family.

Taking America as an example, quite a few ex presidents were born in quite poor and humble families. Harry s Truman is a typical example, they were not all from Rich stock like Donald Trump.

My point is, in America it is possible and has happened that you can be head of state without being born into a particular family.
Also it has been proved that your family doesn't have to be wealthy.

I am wholly against the idea that being born by an accident of birth allows you to be his or her royal highness, requiring your subjects to bow in your presence.

Id rather the Queen and William be head of states than allow the likes of Clinton and Trump to have the opportunity to get there.

Bowing in front of the Queen is just respect and tradition. Just like giving the army hand salute.

Just like if any of us met Pep, you wouldn’t go over and hug him, you would give a respectful nod and a hand shake.

 

[PragueBlue]

I think you are taking a British slant of things, you cannot be head of state in the United Kingdom unless you are born into the royal family.

Taking America as an example, quite a few ex presidents were born in quite poor and humble families. Harry s Truman is a typical example, they were not all from Rich stock like Donald Trump.

My point is, in America it is possible and has happened that you can be head of state without being born into a particular family.
Also it has been proved that your family doesn't have to be wealthy.

I am wholly against the idea that being born by an accident of birth allows you to be his or her royal highness, requiring your subjects to bow in your presence.

Isn't the US president more like the British PM though? A position which is also open to people from all walks of life (supposedly though it doesn't seem to really work that way). The queen is head of state in name only in reality. I don't see that doing away with the royal family, would really make the slightest bit of difference.

 

[Bill Walker]

Isn't the US president more like the British PM though? A position which is also open to people from all walks of life (supposedly though it doesn't seem to really work that way). The queen is head of state in name only in reality. I don't see that doing away with the royal family, would really make the slightest bit of difference.

Well according to @WNRH in the previous post before yours it is important to have a head of state (rather than a president) even if it is apparently meaningless as you stated in your post.

I think you royalists have to decide whether being head of state is an important role or just a name that somebody is given by birth.
I can't accept that you both are royalist and love the Queen and will argue all day that a royal family is necessary... however you will never change my mind in thay they are a terrible family to begin with, not a family you would hold in any kind of esteem, and that being born with power and privilege through an accident of birth is an archaic and outdated thing to foist on the population.

Little point in arguing further, I will never change your minds and you will never change mine.
I suppose it's a bit like brexit.

 

[PragueBlue]

I think you are taking a British slant of things, you cannot be head of state in the United Kingdom unless you are born into the royal family.

Taking America as an example, quite a few ex presidents were born in quite poor and humble families. Harry s Truman is a typical example, they were not all from Rich stock like Donald Trump.

My point is, in America it is possible and has happened that you can be head of state without being born into a particular family.
Also it has been proved that your family doesn't have to be wealthy.

Well according to @WNRH in the previous post before yours it is important to have a head of state (rather than a president) even if it is apparently meaningless as you stated in your post.

I think you royalists have to decide whether being head of state is an important role or just a name that somebody is given by birth.
I can't accept that you both are royalist and love the Queen and will argue all day that a royal family is necessary... however you will never change my mind in thay they are a terrible family to begin with, not a family you would hold in any kind of esteem, and that being born with power and privilege through an accident of birth is an archaic and outdated thing to foist on the population.

Little point in arguing further, I will never change your minds and you will never change mine.
I suppose it's a bit like brexit.

I'm neither a royalist nor anti-royal. They don't affect my life one way or the other.

I can live with a royal as a 'powerless' head of state but would be equally happy having no head of state other than an elected PM (not much of an improvement, if at all, in recent times though!).

 

[WNRH]

Well according to @WNRH in the previous post before yours it is important to have a head of state (rather than a president) even if it is apparently meaningless as you stated in your post.

I think you royalists have to decide whether being head of state is an important role or just a name that somebody is given by birth.
I can't accept that you both are royalist and love the Queen and will argue all day that a royal family is necessary... however you will never change my mind in thay they are a terrible family to begin with, not a family you would hold in any kind of esteem, and that being born with power and privilege through an accident of birth is an archaic and outdated thing to foist on the population.

Little point in arguing further, I will never change your minds and you will never change mine.
I suppose it's a bit like brexit.

You were born in this prosperous country Bill by accident and had the freedom to move to another prosperous country.

Is it fair that you have a passport that can go anywhere in the world rather than being born in North Korea by accident and growing up and emigrating in two countries that afford you the luxuries in life that hundreds and hundreds of millions of people living at the same time do not?

Your birth in the UK was by accident/luck just as much as the royals were, you’re are just punching up whilst not realising you are punching down.

As mentioned, I would rather have a head of state in the Queen or William who will respect tradition, be neutral and not crave power than allow the likes of Boris Johnson to worm his way to a true dictatorship.

 

[Bill Walker]

You were born in this prosperous country Bill by accident and had the freedom to move to another prosperous country.

Is it fair that you have a passport that can go anywhere in the world rather than being born in North Korea by accident and growing up and emigrating in two countries that afford you the luxuries in life that hundreds and hundreds of millions of people living at the same time do not?

Your birth in the UK was by accident/luck just as much as the royals were, you’re are just punching up whilst not realising you are punching down.

As mentioned, I would rather have a head of state in the Queen or William who will respect tradition, be neutral and not crave power than allow the likes of Boris Johnson to worm his way to a true dictatorship.

Yes I am fully aware that I was lucky to be born in a country like the United Kingdom.

I fully respect that you would rather have a royal head of state, that is up to you and your preference.
I personally don't think there is any need for a head of states such as the Queen, I don't really see what she does to be honest with you.. Other than millions of people loving her for occasionally making an appearance somewhere.
I actually think the system in the United Kingdom upholds the class system in England.
Earls, Dukes Duchesses Princes, Princesses all those hereditary titles should be confined to the scrapheap. All magnificent holders of snobdum.
I see Prince Andrew driving around the massive estates of Windsor Castle and Balmoral in his latest model range Rover and his horses and I think to myself why do the British put up with this crap, when half the country is worried about putting the heating on.

 

[WNRH]

Yes I am fully aware that I was lucky to be born in a country like the United Kingdom.

I fully respect that you would rather have a royal head of state, that is up to you and your preference.
I personally don't think there is any need for a head of states such as the Queen, I don't really see what she does to be honest with you.. Other than millions of people loving her for occasionally making an appearance somewhere.
I actually think the system in the United Kingdom upholds the class system in England.
Earls, Dukes Duchesses Princes, Princesses all those hereditary titles should be confined to the scrapheap. All magnificent holders of snobdum.
I see Prince Andrew driving around the massive estates of Windsor Castle and Balmoral in his latest model range Rover and his horses and I think to myself why do the British put up with this crap, when half the country is worried about putting the heating on.

I dont think anyone really cares about Prince Andrew, the earls and dukes and so on to be honest just like they don’t care about Scott Carson getting paid £20k a week for never playing or that SaltBae charging £11 for cokes and £800 for steaks.

Them charging less for their services or giving it away is not going to affect the average person.

It’s a fact of life and will always be that people will struggle at the same time as people who don’t, some deservedly and some not.

I dont think there is a class system in this country. The likes of Raheem Sterling, Phil Foden and Trent Alexander Arnold earn more money than those with titles.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I dont think there is a class system in this country.

Just 7% of the UK public attended private school, which compares to 71% of senior judges, 62% of senior armed forces officers, 55% of Whitehall permanent secretaries and 50% of members of the House of Lords.
The rate is also disproportionately high in other influential roles: 44% of people on the Sunday Times Rich List, 43% of newspaper columnists and 26% of BBC executives were all educated privately.
Just one in 100 members of the UK public was educated at Oxbridge, however graduates from those two universities make up 75% of senior judges, 59% of cabinet posts, 57% of permanent secretaries, 50% of diplomatics, 47% of newspaper columnists, 44% of public body chairs and 33% of BBC executives.
One in four MPs is an Oxbridge graduate as well as 12% of those on the Sunday Times Rich List.