Question Time

BrianW said:
It's quite conceivable I won't vote, or that I will spoil the ballot.
It depends on what other parties say in 2024 (?).
It is certain sure I am not voting for any party that is willing to prolong this ruinous madness. In the words of the late Rev. Dr. Ian Paisley: 'Never!'
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Vote Green, mate, you’re spoilt ballot is right there.
 
BrianW said:
It's quite conceivable I won't vote, or that I will spoil the ballot.
It depends on what other parties say in 2024 (?).
It is certain sure I am not voting for any party that is willing to prolong this ruinous madness. In the words of the late Rev. Dr. Ian Paisley: 'Never!'
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Brian, Brexit is by far and away my biggest concern in current affairs and hence in any election. But the current government is The Brexit Party in all but name. It’s all they are about and why they lie and fuck everything up. You have to vote for anybody to get them out. If you don’t vote or spoil the paper you are enabling them and prolonging Brexit.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Brian, Brexit is by far and away my biggest concern in current affairs and hence in any election. But the current government is The Brexit Party in all but name. It’s all they are about and why they lie and fuck everything up. You have to vote for anybody to get them out. If you don’t vote or spoil the paper you are enabling them and prolonging Brexit.
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Basically, a Remainer voting to keep Brexit. I’m fairly certain Bri is not an enabler, he has to much about him.
 
Let me put this in plain terms:

My conscience will not allow me to vote for a party that supports Brexit and opposes Freedom of Movement.

You must follow your conscience, I must follow mine.

Now, if you wish to debate this with other people feel free. But please do not include me. If Starmer rang me personally and offered to make me Earl of Bury it would make no difference, still less any lesser consideration.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Brian, Brexit is by far and away my biggest concern in current affairs and hence in any election. But the current government is The Brexit Party in all but name. It’s all they are about and why they lie and fuck everything up. You have to vote for anybody to get them out. If you don’t vote or spoil the paper you are enabling them and prolonging Brexit.
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Because they are all about winning, even if it means that the country is hamstrung for generations. That their core vote is from pensioners, and that a significant proportion of the Brexit vote was from the same group, they dare not speak ill of it.

The last twelve years has been a pretty much unmitigated economic and social disaster.
 
BrianW said:
Let me put this in plain terms:

My conscience will not allow me to vote for a party that supports Brexit and opposes Freedom of Movement.

You must follow your conscience, I must follow mine.

Now, if you wish to debate this with other people feel free. But please do not include me. If Starmer rang me personally and offered to make me Earl of Bury it would make no difference, still less any lesser consideration.
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I understand. I'm as anti-Brexit as you are but to me Labour represent the only chance of turning things around. You must obviously vote Libdem then, but don't spoil your paper or not vote. Every person who is not on the political right needs to cast their vote to end this nightmare in whatever way they see fit.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
I understand. I'm as anti-Brexit as you are but to me Labour represent the only chance of turning things around. You must obviously vote Libdem then, but don't spoil your paper or not vote. Every person who is not on the political right needs to cast their vote to end this nightmare in whatever way they see fit.
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Nothing obvious at all.

It's not LibDem policy to rejoin the EU.

Their four-stage plan is as follows:
  • Taking immediate action to improve links with our European neighbours, including building closer ties in education by reforming the government’s Turing scheme.
  • Further steps to build confidence and establish stronger relationships with Europe, including seeking cooperation agreements with EU agencies, returning to Erasmus Plus and seeking to reach a UK-EU agreement on asylum seekers.
  • Deepening trade with Europe, including by negotiating greater access for our world-leading UK food and animal products to the Single Market, securing deals on sector-specific work visas and establishing mutual recognition of professional qualifications.
  • Once the trading relationship between the UK and the EU is deepened, and the ties of trust and friendship are renewed, aim to place the UK–EU relationship on a more formal and stable footing by seeking to join the Single Market.

And I don't think the Green Party has quite caught up with reality yet. They voted this year for rejoining the EU "as soon as the political situation is favourable" but they're against accepting the Euro.

See how many votes the Rejoin EU Party gets in the Chester by-election next Thursday.
 
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blue for life said:
Another example of her butting in on a Labour or centre left panellist whilst they are making an important point. It’s fucking disgraceful
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No - its balance

Ha ha ha ha - the bias so so naked and obvious - any claim to her being a serious journalist is up there with that of Allegra Stratton's
 
Tonight we are asking why are so many working aged middle aged people not working.

I'll tell you why Fiona from a personal point of view. I have worked hard for 40 + years - I have a house that I own outright because house prices were not a commodity to exploit for massive gain - I have 2 lucrative workplace pensions that provide me with a generous lump sum and a small but workable monthly income. I can get by and have no need nor interest to go back to work not least because I don't want to try and bale these fuckers out. I am a leftie who has benefitted from what were Conservative values longs since abandoned by the Conservatives and that were also supported by the left - workplace pensions and union representation are examples - the Tories have broken this country in 12 short years and why people like me should try and help fix their mess when they are hell bent on making it worse any way.
 
BrianW said:
It's quite conceivable I won't vote, or that I will spoil the ballot.
It depends on what other parties say in 2024 (?).
It is certain sure I am not voting for any party that is willing to prolong this ruinous madness. In the words of the late Rev. Dr. Ian Paisley: 'Never!'
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That figures.
Paisley was head of the DUP who have a tradition of voting against constituents interests on the back of a single ideological issue.

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I see your dilemma mate but let me quote Billy Connolly who said Don’t vote, it only encourages them….
A laugh, right? But sadly no. It’s wrong. They are the ones discouraging people from voting, because in your FPTP system, it benefits them.

It is your democratic right not to vote, but if you don’t, you have no right to criticise government.
That’s something that suits politicians too.
 
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Ben Habib was a UKIP MEP. He was full on Tory when they were banging on about Brexit being done. His current blob strop on QT is basically because he is now full on Reform Party - the Tice/Farage new UKIP project - and his fake "I'm with the workers" approach is to try and shore up the Red Wall racists to vote Reform - now I have no problem with that because it will split the mostly R/W vote at the GE but its a performative tour de force - probably will require a cold shower after
 
blue for life said:
Even with a 23k+ majority?
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Yes - I live in North Yorkshire mate - a Tory strong hold for years - everyone hates them - from farmers to fishermen who have been immensely let down to people who live in market towns where they grew up and can't afford to live there. In Middlesbrough tonight ( was in the old North Riding ) a Mitsubishi owned chemicals plant has announced its closing down - egg producers are fucked because those who are free range and they can't do that now coz all their birds are indoors and they blame the lack of vets to check flocks and pig farmers have slaughtered thousands of pigs for the same reason - safe seats here are toxic for them now. The Redcar Tory gets pelters daily as does the former Chief Sec to the Treasury Simon Clarke. I don't think that they will be down to 6 MP's as was possible on the numbers but the degree of the overturn of the 80 seat majority of 2019 - now lower than that - to what they will end up with will be historic
 
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