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The Future’s Blue! said:
They’ve given Jenrick so much time and great to he’s hanging himself. It must be great for Labour, just sit back, shut the fuck up and wait-out for the other side to implode.

Would like to hear more from Hislop, he does hold politicians to account.
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He is not 'hanging himself' he is talking sense. But I accept your point about Labour - they just need to sit back and bide their time, if no planes fly to Rwanda before the next G.E. (and that is likely to be the case), he can waffle on as long as he wants, but many people will just say "it was just all talk and no action...." in fact one of the audience members has just said exactly that.

P.S. He was right about the Dublin Agreement - Kinnock is the real c**t on the panel tonight.

Shriver actually spoke the most sense when she said how the Human Rights lawyers are for 'open borders'.
 
El_george said:
He is not 'hanging himself' he is talking sense. But I accept your point about Labour - they just need to sit back and bide their time, if no planes fly to Rwanda before the next G.E. (and that is likely to be the case), he can waffle on as long as he wants, but many people will just say "it was just all talk and no action...." in fact one of the audience members has just said exactly that.

P.S. He was right about the Dublin Agreement - Kinnock is the real c**t on the panel tonight.

Shriver actually spoke the most sense when she said how the Human Rights lawyers are for 'open borders'.
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No he wasn't. Planes to Rwanda will never fly because the law ill prevent it because they know it and its a distraction they are utilising at great tax payer expense. The agreement participation ended the second we left the EU and Shriver is a shill - lawyers are instructed on their brief - if you cannot understand that you are lost
 
I said planes will never fly to Rwanda, I said that.

P.S. What is a 'shill' I am unfamiliar with that terminology.
 
El_george said:
He is not 'hanging himself' he is talking sense. But I accept your point about Labour - they just need to sit back and bide their time, if no planes fly to Rwanda before the next G.E. (and that is likely to be the case), he can waffle on as long as he wants, but many people will just say "it was just all talk and no action...." in fact one of the audience members has just said exactly that.

P.S. He was right about the Dublin Agreement - Kinnock is the real c**t on the panel tonight.

Shriver actually spoke the most sense when she said how the Human Rights lawyers are for 'open borders'.
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He was talking sense if you agree with the governments policies. Many disagree with them, you don’t, so your opinion is understandable.
 
I see people are accepting the R/W press bollocks again - its Dahl now and "woke" publishers. The been and Bruce keen to stoke the fires however I understand that un re-written copies will still be on sale anyway also as over 250m Dahl books have been sold over the years I am pretty sure finding an unabridged version in a bookshop shouldn't be too difficult.

I'd imagine 99.999999% of those moaning about woke publishers don't even know who Mark Twain was never mind what happenend to his works with seemingly no impact on sales
 
bluethrunthru said:
I see people are accepting the R/W press bollocks again - its Dahl now and "woke" publishers. The been and Bruce keen to stoke the fires however I understand that un re-written copies will still be on sale anyway also as over 250m Dahl books have been sold over the years I am pretty sure finding an unabridged version in a bookshop shouldn't be too difficult.

I'd imagine 99.999999% of those moaning about woke publishers don't even know who Mark Twain was never mind what happenend to his works with seemingly no impact on sales
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It is ridiculous and slightly Orwellian though changing words like this. A massive waste of effort too on behalf of a small number of idiots that want to drift through life taking offence.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
It is ridiculous and slightly Orwellian though changing words like this. A massive waste of effort too on behalf of a small number of idiots that want to drift through life taking offence.
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Not sure if you are aware this has gone on for donkeys years - religious groups- people with specific interests - people who want to change wording coz they have kids or vulnerable people have agreed/arranged alternative texts - as long as the original version is still accessible its just not an issue.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Not sure if you are aware this has gone on for donkeys years - religious groups- people with specific interests - people who want to change wording coz they have kids or vulnerable people have agreed/arranged alternative texts - as long as the original version is still accessible its just not an issue.
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Indeed. I bet reactionary columnists were offended by this back in the day. I wonder what the term for wokerati was back then.


Dahl has long been controversial. This is not the first time his books have changed to reflect contemporary mores, or around Hollywood interest. In the first edition of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (1964), the Oompa-Loompas were black pygmies, enslaved by Willy Wonka from “the deepest and darkest part of the African jungle” and paid in cocoa beans. Dahl rewrote the characters in the late 1960s to “de-Negro” them, in his words. For Mel Stuart’s 1971 film starring Gene Wilder, the Oompas became green-haired, orange-skinned figures. By a 1973 edition of the book, they had become “little fantasy creatures”.
 
The statement I heard tonight, which I genuinly found troubling, was the tory minister dismissing human rights lawyers as 'left wing'.

I've heard statements like this from other ministers over the last few years as well, be it from Johnson complaning about his illegal proroguing of Parliament being blocked by the highest court in the land, or from other government ministers when they haven't got their way. The legal process is dismissed as being 'left wing', and needs reform.

I find descriptions like that regarding our legal system deeply disturbing. It is a well trodden path over many centuries in this country the governmemet introduce legislation, and it is the courts that interpret their real intentions and provide balance and fairness regarding the laws being passed.

We are in dangerous territory when that centuries old tradition that has seved us so well for so long, established by the signing of the Magna Carta in 1215 and which has never been questioned until recently, is now a politically motivated left wing agenda.

Facism creeps in by the back door, and when I hear statements like that from a current minister, I despair about where we are heading when language like that is being used against a fair and reasonable legal framework that has been a bedrock of our country for generations.
 
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bluethrunthru said:
I see people are accepting the R/W press bollocks again - its Dahl now and "woke" publishers.
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Ah these left wing publishing conglomerates are at it again. It's amazing how many million billion pound companies are somehow left wing nowadays. Apparently willing to leave millions on the counter to make a political point. Or perhaps actually it's a sound commercial decision.

But this is what it really comes down to. Out-of-touch right wingers not realising that their views are no longer commercial, to the point that even the most capitalist organisations abandon them in droves.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Not sure if you are aware this has gone on for donkeys years - religious groups- people with specific interests - people who want to change wording coz they have kids or vulnerable people have agreed/arranged alternative texts - as long as the original version is still accessible its just not an issue.
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Yes absolutely - the bible being the prime/earliest example I suppose. I can understand the removal of the 'n' word from twain, but the Dahl revisionism of words like 'fat' and 'ugly' feels like low level pettyness.
 
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bluethrunthru said:
Not sure if you are aware this has gone on for donkeys years - religious groups- people with specific interests - people who want to change wording coz they have kids or vulnerable people have agreed/arranged alternative texts - as long as the original version is still accessible its just not an issue.
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I’ve just listened to a podcast about the witch trials of JK Rowling.. The right wing nut job Christians in the US wanted her books banned for teaching their kids witchcraft.. it’s a barmy world these days
 
Bluemanc100 said:
I’ve just listened to a podcast about the witch trials of JK Rowling.. The right wing nut job Christians in the US wanted her books banned for teaching their kids witchcraft.. it’s a barmy world these days
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didn't they also want the Telly Tubbies banned coz one of them was queer?
 
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