You are right that there's no rules however 100% security for 54,000 people is impossible so we need measures in place that would make potential perpetrators choose another location. That means visible security that looks competent, not crowds of people queueing to have a barely trained numpty wave a wand in their general direction. That's why they need to profile people and get some focus. Obviously I would not expect that details of their security operation should be general knowledge however what we've got at the moment is the worst of all worlds. A potential attacker could recce it and see the glaring weaknesses in the operation. Crap security is worse than no security.
Absolutely agree. It's all about having properly trained security staff and a decent plan. Presumably they have a security officer who liaises with the police that comes up with the plan. The problem is that many of the staff seem to be from rent a crowd and are worse than useless, and from an outsiders point of view the plan doesn't look great. Maybe there's stuff going on that we don't know about like spotters in the crowds etc. But the impression is that it's shoddy and that would encourage a potential attacker.You have an answer? I am sure that if there was a easier way someone would have thought of it. Just think of the queues at airports and the time it takes to get through. Only answer I believe is more better trained staff. When you think how much we pay players surely a little bit extra on security should be a no brainer.
Absolutely agree. It's all about having properly trained security staff and a decent plan. Presumably they have a security officer who liaises with the police that comes up with the plan. The problem is that many of the staff seem to be from rent a crowd and are worse than useless, and from an outsiders point of view the plan doesn't look great. Maybe there's stuff going on that we don't know about like spotters in the crowds etc. But the impression is that it's shoddy and that would encourage a potential attacker.
It really isn't complicated. There are indeed queues at airport security and one of the ways they've tried to address this at Manchester Airport is by increasing the number of x-rays. And there are still queues, but when they're properly staffed (which they aren't always) it's a lot better than it used to be - I used to be a frequent flyer from Mcr Airport T2 both before and after the refurbishment and the additional lanes as well as a coherent queuing system made a big difference. And those queues are indoors.You have an answer? I am sure that if there was a easier way someone would have thought of it. Just think of the queues at airports and the time it takes to get through. Only answer I believe is more better trained staff. When you think how much we pay players surely a little bit extra on security should be a no brainer.
No, it wasn't in England nor was it at a time we were under the threat we are here now. I saw the vehicles returned and had several conversations with those injured.Right, so not England then
Was it a war zone?
It really isn't complicated. There are indeed queues at airport security and one of the ways they've tried to address this at Manchester Airport is by increasing the number of x-rays. And there are still queues, but when they're properly staffed (which they aren't always) it's a lot better than it used to be - I used to be a frequent flyer from Mcr Airport T2 both before and after the refurbishment and the additional lanes as well as a coherent queuing system made a big difference. And those queues are indoors.
If you increase the number of security staff you can increase the number of people that you can search in a given time. It's not rocket science. Better trained staff, yes, but also more staff. You might not eradicate the queues, but you could make them shorter/quicker. Given, as you say, the amount we pay players, it's very difficult to understand why the club has not already addressed this. But they seem completely deaf to all complaints.
Pep is asking for more fans to turn up and support the team in CL games and at the same time fans who struggle to get to the game an hour before kick off are incentivised to stay at home and watch on telly because the club apparently simply can't be arsed getting its ducks in a row over security. All for the want of some probably not very well paid security staff. I'm not suggesting they don't do the searches, or that they don't do them thoroughly, I'm not suggesting they do anything particularly innovative or complex, all I'm suggesting is that they provide sufficient resources.
Tl;dr - put more bloody staff on City, ffs!
The battle to get to the ground for night matches is bad enough without then having to spend 20 mins queuing. I agree they need more staff. It's much worse on CL nights due to the number of tourists etc who attend these games. There is zero incentive for getting in early too due to no alcohol sales.
Surely the incentive is to be as safe as poss not whet your whistle
Surely the incentive is to be as safe as poss not whet your whistle
Then why come? You know there are going to be delays getting in to the stadium. In today's climate and in particular what has been happening in Manchester and London, I am grateful the club is exercising a duty of care( albeit not efficient at the moment)If you go round worrying about getting blown up then maybe but if you don't then getting in the ground to do nothing an hour before kick off doesn't appeal to me.
I have no issue with those who enjoy a pint or two as part of their match day experience, but if they then moan about missing the start of the game coz they want to get another round in knowing there are likely queues to get in the stadium, I have no sympathy. Are you sure you mean disgrace?If it's part of your match experience, and it is for many, then yeah, 'wetting your whistle' is important for those people .... That we even need such safety measures is a disgrace in this country.
For any night match in particular, for most its nothing to do with having a "pint or two", and much more to do with the logistics of working all day, eating, and being able to get there, and no I don't want to eat the overpriced shite that City serve up.I have no issue with those who enjoy a pint or two as part of their match day experience
Oh dear SW, do you not understand? Got nothing to do with grassing up and everything to do with you, me and everyone else being safe and enjoying football.
The safety argument is bollocks when you look at the queues outside added to that I use turnstile R and have never queued for more than 30 seconds, are terrorist's not allowed in 93.20 ?I don't feel safe standing in a big fuck off queue every week.
I dont disagree with you but the bottom line is that we have all been told this will occur and we now have experience of what is involved, so to miss the kick off due to wanting a pint (which is the post I responded to) is no ones fault but their ownFor any night match in particular, for most its nothing to do with having a "pint or two", and much more to do with the logistics of working all day, eating, and being able to get there, and no I don't want to eat the overpriced shite that City serve up.
The fact is simple, if there were more staff on duty there wouldn't be these queues, and its not as if an extra 30 staff on duty at minimum wage for 1 hour extra, is going to cost this club much money, so why don't the club do their best to facilitate their supporters getting to games, and add a few more staff. They don't give a f**k that's why.
Its nothing to do with security, as has been said many many times, if it was they'd want us in as quickly as possible, because the greatest security threat is to those outside the stadium not in it.
Get there earlier and there are no queues :)I don't feel safe standing in a big fuck off queue every week.
How much longer do you reckon before you get in?im in the queue now, been here since last saturday