R.I.P Middle England

[Stanley]

problem is that personal responsibility isn't something you can make money out of.

irresponsible spending, drinking, individualism, materialism, these are traits that can be exploited for massive profit.

what matters is having a flexible workforce. too bad if that is incompatible with them being part of a stable community, spending time with their kids. the security and respect that is behind all good society is a thing of the past in the globalised, rationalised, short-term contract, targeted and measured commercial enviroment.

community, decency, restraint, helpfulness.... these are what matter to the people, but the people aren't listed on the stock exchange, have no lobby group, can't pay for your campaign. most of them don't even realise what they've lost. they have no real power. It's nothing to do with middle england. It's the whole sodding world. The numbers on the spreadsheets that make up the tables that rule everything from education to end-of-year accounts, these are the reality now. everything else is flaky, subjective, unprofitable, uneconomic, incompatible with management theory, impossible to quantify, and if you can't quantify it, you can't massage the numbers to prove you are winning.

fuck 'em all, I say. read another book. words are closer to the truth. ideas will change, it will come full circle. there are hiding places everywhere, and if that's not enough, the people you know and love aren't interested in your productivity, they are interested in what you say and what you feel.

Ever thought of becoming P.M?

 

[tommyducks]

You should try living down here. My MP is Masonic Asshole aka Nicholas Soames.

 

[Stanley]

You should try living down here. My MP is Masonic Asshole aka Nicholas Soames.

Masonic, Try and get them to talk about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boaz_and_Jachin

I'm led to understand that they can't use these two words outside the lodge.

 

[tommyducks]

You should try living down here. My MP is Masonic Asshole aka Nicholas Soames.

Masonic, Try and get them to talk about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boaz_and_Jachin

I'm led to understand that they can't use these two words outside the lodge.

Do you know, I'd noticed he never uses those words - now I know why.

 

[Stanley]

Masonic, Try and get them to talk about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boaz_and_Jachin

I'm led to understand that they can't use these two words outside the lodge.

Do you know, I'd noticed he never uses those words - now I know why.

<g> Everydays a school day.

 

[stonerblue]

Great thread, wish I'd wrote it. Read it BB2.0 and digest it.

I agree in many respects, but once again you fail to see that if I had not posted the initial thread we would not have read such nuggets as this.....hence why I have been haild as the MVP-(Most valuable poster)

you don't half write some bollox.

 

[danny21manc]

I agree in many respects, but once again you fail to see that if I had not posted the initial thread we would not have read such nuggets as this.....hence why I have been haild as the MVP-(Most valuable poster)[/quote]

 

[Swales lives]

Great thread, wish I'd wrote it. Read it BB2.0 and digest it.

I agree in many respects, but once again you fail to see that if I had not posted the initial thread we would not have read such nuggets as this.....hence why I have been haild as the MVP-(Most valuable poster)

Aaah right I get it now. If you didn't talk such shite, people wouldn't talk sense. Thank you MVP, and here's me thinking you were just a dick.

 

[Balti]

Successive Governments have shafted us royally.

They care more about the idle, the crooked and the illegal foreigner more than they care about the vast majority of us who lead decent lives and pay our dues.

The UK is fine and dandy you're rich perhaps but otheriwise the rest of us are all apparently just here to be continually fecked over by grinning corrupt fools with their never-ending taxes to pay for zero/shit public services which of course favour those who don't even contribute in any case.

 

[Anonymous]

after trying to attempt to digest this thread. which started of having some fair points by the op, it then turns into complete self sabotage. in the early stages, the moral issues and strong goverment values are great... and then it moves on to deathsquads/pulling people out of their beds at night and pissing on family photographs.

if he had it, bb2's way, we would be building pyramid size monuments and have worship some new tacky god or other.

c'mon bb2. is this your plan for world domination?