Racist plane banner at game today

Semper aggressus said:
I don’t care where anyone is from or what race they are, I just wish more people would be more intelligent and less racist. Who’s more valuable to society, a ‘non-white’ doctor for example, or some violent right-wing gobshite arsehole?
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So all immigrants (regardless of ethnicity) are highly qualified, well trained, valuable and much needed contributors to society and anyone who suggests otherwise is a violent right-wing racist gobshite?

Also you appear to be quite comfortable with the concept of robbing highly qualified, expensively trained doctors and such like from under-developed countries where their skills and attributes are required much more so than here.

It's a shame for you that you weren't around in the glory days of the British Empire, with your morals you could have made a fortune from all the slave trading and general looting and pillaging of other countries valuable resources.
 
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jacko74 said:
So all immigrants (regardless of ethnicity) are highly qualified, well trained, valuable and much needed contributors to society and anyone who suggests otherwise is a violent right-wing racist gobshite?

Also you appear to be quite comfortable with the concept of robbing highly qualified, expensively trained doctors and such like from under-developed countries where their skills and attributes are required much more so than here.

It's a shame for you that you weren't around in the glory days of the British Empire, with your morals you could have made a fortune from all the slave trading and general looting and pillaging of other countries valuable resources.
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Great example of a response bearing no relationship to the point made, or are you making the case for violent right-wing gobshite arseholes?
 
jacko74 said:
Great example of not being capable of grasping nuanced debates or wider issues... or are you making the case for typical reactive, brainwashed, virtue signalling thickos?
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Nope, I've grasped a non sequitur that you've made out was nuanced debate. Then you've added another non sequitur to go with the first one. I liked the spurious use of "virtue signalling" in your post, I suspect "woke" will be your next spurious adjective. Great work!
 
west didsblue said:
Great example of a response bearing no relationship to the point made, or are you making the case for violent right-wing gobshite arseholes?
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The brain drain aspect of the immigration debate is absolutely relevant.

One of the most arrogant things I see is the idea that we must import Doctors and nurses into the NHS from India and the other countries on the subcontinent because the NHS is understaffed.

India has a massive shortage of Doctors and nurses itself, and parts of the country live in extreme poverty. The idea that we should bring them into the NHS to do bunion surgery for Mrs Mop down the road is middle class wankery.

The immigration laws in this country function entirely to depress wages. That's it, that's the entire point of them. In fact for most of history, severe immigration controls were the default position of left wing parties who recognised that introducing several million people into the working class labour market would do nothing but destroy unions, depress wages and tip the supply/demand scale in the favour of businesses.

Big businesses have never made more money at any time in history than they do now. That's for many reasons, but one of them is that the cost of goods has risen with inflation while wages have not. Wages have not risen because the labour demand market has been purposely rigged by successive Tory and Labour governments. My old man bought his house on the wage of a young engineer, equivalent to 3 years wages. For my nephew to buy the same house now, would take 16 years of wages. That's not wholly down to immigration of course but it's a big factor.

There are 32m working people in the UK. There are 15m foreign born nationals living in the UK.

If your view on this is smugly posting funny pictures and "hAhA rAcIsT gAmMoNs" then you're a fucking idiot. People who ignore a problem staring them in the face because its not on what they consider to be "their side" are cretins who shouldn't ever talk about politics
 
Damocles said:
The brain drain aspect of the immigration debate is absolutely relevant.

One of the most arrogant things I see is the idea that we must import Doctors and nurses into the NHS from India and the other countries on the subcontinent because the NHS is understaffed.

India has a massive shortage of Doctors and nurses itself, and parts of the country live in extreme poverty. The idea that we should bring them into the NHS to do bunion surgery for Mrs Mop down the road is middle class wankery.

The immigration laws in this country function entirely to depress wages. That's it, that's the entire point of them. In fact for most of history, severe immigration controls were the default position of left wing parties who recognised that introducing several million people into the working class labour market would do nothing but destroy unions, depress wages and tip the supply/demand scale in the favour of businesses.

Big businesses have never made more money at any time in history than they do now. That's for many reasons, but one of them is that the cost of goods has risen with inflation while wages have not. Wages have not risen because the labour demand market has been purposely rigged by successive Tory and Labour governments. My old man bought his house on the wage of a young engineer, equivalent to 3 years wages. For my nephew to buy the same house now, would take 16 years of wages. That's not wholly down to immigration of course but it's a big factor.

There are 32m working people in the UK. There are 15m foreign born nationals living in the UK.

If your view on this is smugly posting funny pictures and "hAhA rAcIsT gAmMoNs" then you're a fucking idiot. People who ignore a problem staring them in the face because its not on what they consider to be "their side" are cretins who shouldn't ever talk about politics
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I don't disagree with most of your post but it really is nothing to do with a racist banner being flown over the Etihad which wasn't carried out to provoke debate about the merits of allowing highly qualified people to settle in the UK. It was just cunts being cunts, and the wider immigration debate needs to be discussed without the backdrop of the sort of shite that was flown over the Etihad on Sunday.
 
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