Rayan Aït-Nouri

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richards30 said:
Well besides the extensive data that gets monitored over weeks, months and years on some players by the bigger clubs who employ departments just to do that and our scouts, there is the fact that whenever you watch a certain player you can just see he has quality is enough? Every transfer this summer that we are looking at seems to some are wrong, player is crap etc? Of course people can have opinions but when genuine data and optics don’t support it then it’s surely ok to accept that the professionals may know more due to due diligence in researching the player?
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Of course some people are going to have some concerns and question marks. While there are exiting parts of his game we dont need to pretend signing a defender from one of the worst teams in the league is anything close to a guaranteed success or a sure thing just because it's looking like we are going to sign him. One might have the mindset "that the club more often than not get things right and for that reason I trust whatever they are doing", but arguing the club cant get it wrong (or in the odd case they do, there was no possible way any reasonable person could see it coming) is a bit silly.

We are (reportedly) signing a defender from the worst non relegated defense in the league, and it is a player that has not played much as a fullback in a back 4. In fact, all 7 games he played as a FB in a back 4 this season, Wolves lost all of them, compared to only losing a third of them when he was not playing as a FB. But I'm guessing the "data" pointing towards an awful record as a FB or the defense he was a part of being atrocious is irrelevant and the only "data" that is relevant is the ones that speaks to his advantage?
Talking of "genuine" numbers, have you even seen any genuine data of his numbers as a LB excluding the numbers from playing as a wingback? Or are ju just assuming playing as a wingback or fullback have little to no impact on a players underlying numbers?
Not to mention this "data" is not something hidden or mysterious, it's just what happens on the pitch that anyone can see with their own eyes just from actually watching the games. How you interpret data is also selective. Just as someone can point to Ait-Nouris strong attacking numbers to argue the potential upside, another one can point to him being a part of the worst non relegated defense in the league and 100% loss record as a FB as a potential risk. Neither one is necessarily wrong.

Like I said, I have nothing against the signing. On the contrary I would like the signing, there are some concerns but the upside is there at a reasonable price in my opinion. Hopefully he could turn out to be brilliant in our shirt!
But arguing people shouldn't have their own opinions since "professionals know more" is like saying we must agree with whatever crap Gary Neville is saying on TV since he had a very successful career and therefore "knows more" about football than regular fans. And arguing that would obviously be ridiculous.
 
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augpet said:
How come we moved on from Cambiasso is the question I am asking my self…
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Apparently, we tried btp sign Ait Nouri in January too. I dont remember that myself. But it seems people in the know thought we did.

As for Cambiasso, perhaps we've rethought how we wont to build the future and decided to go with Livramento instead.
 
Dax777 said:
Apparently, we tried btp sign Ait Nouri in January too. I dont remember that myself. But it seems people in the know thought we did.

As for Cambiasso, perhaps we've rethought how we wont to build the future and decided to go with Livramento instead.
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In my opinion Livramento would be a much better signing. If he’s a player we are interested in, then it’s good news.
I do think it would be difficult to bring him in though, even if he wants to defect from Newcastle, I can’t see them being willing to release him.
 
Dax777 said:
Apparently, we tried btp sign Ait Nouri in January too. I dont remember that myself. But it seems people in the know thought we did.

As for Cambiasso, perhaps we've rethought how we wont to build the future and decided to go with Livramento instead.
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Came from Angers - who will be owed a sell on etc
 
TheBlueCat said:
In my opinion Livramento would be a much better signing. If he’s a player we are interested in, then it’s good news.
I do think it would be difficult to bring him in though, even if he wants to defect from Newcastle, I can’t see them being willing to release him.
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Agree re Tino - presumably he is number one choice but the chances now they are in the CL are remote. It’s probably going to take 80m plus. No way will be pay that. Smacks of Bruno, Kane and Koulibaly when we clearly wanted them but the club didn’t want to sell. Hope we make a bid and if we don’t get buy in then move on asap.
 
Marvin. said:
Very good player imo. If I remember rightly Carragher raves about him.
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Fuckin hell I was looking forward to having an actual decent left back and now reading the posts on this page and spitty raving it turns out he's dogshit.

Left footed cb midfielder or cleaner it is:-)
 
richards30 said:
Well besides the extensive data that gets monitored over weeks, months and years on some players by the bigger clubs who employ departments just to do that and our scouts, there is the fact that whenever you watch a certain player you can just see he has quality is enough? Every transfer this summer that we are looking at seems to some are wrong, player is crap etc? Of course people can have opinions but when genuine data and optics don’t support it then it’s surely ok to accept that the professionals may know more due to due diligence in researching the player?
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It’s ok Viana, your job is safe at city. Crack on buddy -:)
 
Dax777 said:
Apparently, we tried btp sign Ait Nouri in January too. I dont remember that myself. But it seems people in the know thought we did.

As for Cambiasso, perhaps we've rethought how we wont to build the future and decided to go with Livramento instead.
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Maybe the move away from Cambiasso is down to the lack of foreign player spaces in the squad?

Maybe if enough leave we even end up going back to him?

Hard to know at the moment.
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
I think the X factor in our recruitment of players — especially true since the world's best coach arrived — is what they will become when they get here, and how long it will take them. Not infrequently, we seem to recruit on the basis of potential. And not infrequently (but not always, see Phillips), it's paid off.
Did anybody who didn't already know a lot about them really think that Días and Rodri, to give just two examples, were going to be quite as good as they became? Honestly? They must have been real in-the-knowers if they did. I never thought that Kyle Walker was any great shakes at Tottenham, to be honest. He was quick, but naive. I certainly didn't think he'd become the player he did. That's due to the quality of the coaching, which in some cases can iron out faults in a player, and of course the team mates and what they bring to a player's game.
There were no risks with Kev. There were no risks with Merlin. There were no risks with Sergio. There were no risks with Bernardo. But you can't always get marquee players like that, who you know are going to deliver right off the bat.
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I thought you were on about "Buster" Phillips then, when you say that we recruited on potential.
 
I am not in agreement with those who would have Livramento over Ait Nouri. AN slightly more league minutes last season but got 4 goals and 7 assists, Livramento no goals and one assist in 300 less mins but in a team that scored a lot more goals. I would take the huge attacking upside over the much smaller defensive upside
 
BringBackSwales said:
I am not in agreement with those who would have Livramento over Ait Nouri. AN slightly more league minutes last season but got 4 goals and 7 assists, Livramento no goals and one assist in 300 less mins but in a team that scored a lot more goals. I would take the huge attacking upside over the much smaller defensive upside
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Didn’t think anyone did want that, think it’s both as they play on opposite sides. As for Livramento, speaking to 2 Newcastle season ticket holders today they don’t believe we have any chance at all, they don’t think they need to sell and if they did there would be about 10 others they’d sell to bring money in before Livramento.
 
blueparrot said:
Didn’t think anyone did want that, think it’s both as they play on opposite sides. As for Livramento, speaking to 2 Newcastle season ticket holders today they don’t believe we have any chance at all, they don’t think they need to sell and if they did there would be about 10 others they’d sell to bring money in before Livramento.
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I don’t know what other people think and why, I just know there are posters on here who have said they would prefer TL other RAN. I also thought TL could play either side. My point is for those who said they’d rather us get TL over RAN. I agree it’s a moot point as I doubt we’d get TL out of Newcastle for anything less than silly money
 
Dax777 said:
Yeah, thats what I meant by the rethinking. With Livramento you solve 2 problems with one decision
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Livramento would be brilliant, in any case it’s clear we need a right back anyway.
I also think Ait Nouri would also be terrific and hope we can sign him.
A right back and left back would, I think, also signal a welcome tweak in tactics.
 
My main concern is that we get too focused on not paying over the odds and end up with an inferior player.

That sounds too obvious but we've got some previous after all the backslapping when the transfer window closed in 2023 and 2024.

Fantastic profit and a worse squad
 
Scaring Europe to Death said:
My main concern is that we get too focused on not paying over the odds and end up with an inferior player.

That sounds too obvious but we've got some previous after all the backslapping when the transfer window closed in 2023 and 2024.

Fantastic profit and a worse squad
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The club get us all giddy when being linked to a top player. Top player says he wants to sign and we get more giddy. The selling cub set their price and City try the(obligatory) lowball offer. It goes all quiet for a day or two and then trepidation kicks in amongst us.

Although it's prudent of the club to try and make sure certain players are worth the money we seem to faff about haggling the price when it's bleedin' obvious the player(in this case NOR) is worth the money being asked.

City do it almost every transfer window and need to tie deals up earlier, especially for players that will definitely improve us.
 
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