Fat Chance
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Yeah i know it appeared after '76...even being teamed with sky blue shorts....just dont recall the red/black pre 76
Red & Black is Back?
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Think you are about right .black sleeve diamond then double diamond with crest of Manchester badge.but remember ron futcher in it scoring a few at Chelsea away playing in it which would put it later as well
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Nice one for that clip, good to see it.. Shirt spot on, let's have that back.
Doesn't that clip make you realise a lot of how TV has fucked up the game. Be good to go back to a commentator not some over paid opinionated pundit prick.. No slow motion analysing every fine detail so we can rip a player to bits for next 6 months for 35 seconds of footage. Brian cough in late 70s said tv will fuck up football, true words from brian.
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You are right re football pundits I think, as most football pundits are complete wankers, but I think probably the original idea of people such as Jimmy Hill, was genuinely to educate & inspire people, but he quickly ended up being a forerunner of the kind of sensationalist turd we have to put up with today. Picking out bad points when it suited, but ignoring it on other occasions then wanking furiously over things the 'right' clubs did & focusing less on the bad moments.
It would be far more entertaining imo if football jounalism was insightful, but that would require the people involved to actually know what they are talking about, wheras most haven't got a fucking clue & have just learned their 'expertise' from other wankers & a few library books/ internet etc, or god forbid, the FA.
As a kid, when I watched cricket on tv, people such as Richie Benaud educated me in a sport I knew little about. Now I love it, thanks to people such as him.
The football crew have never been fit to lace his fucking boots & do more to put me off.
Sorry for derailling the topic btw.
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Lovebitesandeveryfing
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Actually, this topic is well worth a thread. Anybody want to start one?
If I can carry on 'derailing' briefly — I think we can go too far. The idea that because someone's an ex-player they're going to make a good commentator is idiocy. Most of the ex-Liverpool crowd are a case in point. But I did generally enjoy Gary Neville's analyses, and I think he bent over backward not to let his United affiliation show too much, as compared to the aforementioned crew.
If you look at clips of matches from the sixties, commentary by people like Ken Wolstenholme is just laughable. I mean, it's just a joke. "Lee passes to Madeley… ooooh, Madeley scores!!" Yes, thanks, Ken, I couldn't see that.
There is, definitely, over-analysis now, but it's what we seem to all want, isn't it. Also, it's a smaller part of a general social phenomenon in which every Tom, Dick and Harry under the sun is invited to sound off about this that and the other, 24/24 (cue this forum… cue this thread… cue me!)
Oh, by the way. Maybe I'm misunderstanding some of the posts, but I'm prepared to stake my life on there having been the red and black strip pre-1976 for certain away matches (I don't say all). I didn't hallucinate it. And I did buy that scarf from the City shop before the League Cup final of 76. Of that, I'm certain.
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I'm at the Lane, match against Spurs, away end. I don't remember the exact year, but it's got to be early seventies. It's seriously cold. Cold as in freeze-your-bollocks-off cold. So it's in the depths of winter. Just had a look on the History section. It couldn't be the matches on 10th Feb 1973 or 11th December 1976, because there's footage of those, and we're not wearing the red and black stripes strip. So it must be 8th January 1972, or 15th December 1973. As I remember it, we played very, very well, especially Colin, and got a good result (anybody else at that one?). The first of those two matches is 1-1. The second on 15th December, is 2-0 to us. Plus the article that you can click onto shows us wearing that strip. Red and black stripes, clear as day. By the way, some of the attendance figures for those years are pretty astonishing. I see that the attendance for that match was 17,000 or thereabouts! We were averaging more than that in our one horrible season in what would have been the old third division for our home matches. I think that would also explain why I was so fucking cold. There was far too much space around me…
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Blimey, the standard of defending in those days is so poor!!
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The thread has got derailed we were discussing the colour of the sash on the white kit,first red and blue then red and black .
Not the red and black striped kit
Not the red and black striped kit
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Not until the Italians mastered defending in the 80s did anyone really know how to defend in football.
Just watch the 1970 World Cup final to see how much time and space Brazil were given on the ball. It was appalling defending for 90 minutes from Italy.
Fart forward twenty years and watch Baresi, Costacurta and Maldini and its like seeing football Gods come down from somewhere and taken over the sport.
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So it seems that the blue/red sash was first, before the black/red sash...but where did the royal kit with white/red sash fit into that timeline?
Why Always Ste
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I know... I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking Gav should be appointed as an in-house designer for City.
Haven't bought a single City Nike item since they became our producer and all my match tat is looking old now.
I'd buy Gav's stuff right now if it was in the shop
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The white kit with the red and blue sash and the blue one with the red and white sash were both first used in 1972/3. I think the white one came first, because we presumably wore it in the 1972 Charity Shield away to Aston Villa. We used the blue one with the red and white sash as a third kit, but against teams who wore white, mainly, I think (we definitely wore it at Leeds and Spurs). That 1972/3 season was actually the season we wore four kits, because we wore the previous season's red and black away to WBA, where neither of the other away kits was deemed appropriate.
The next season, we reverted to the red and black stripes and stuck with it for 3 seasons, presumably because the two sash kits were Malcolm's design (he pitched up at Crystal Palace and guess who, within a year or two, started playing in all white with a red and blue sash on the shirt). It was in the summer of 1976/7 that we first wore white with a red and black sash. As someone says, there were one or two early performances when we wore it with sky blue shorts and socks before they introduced the black shorts and socks that were specifically designed for the kit.
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The London Branch got two ex team strips, real not replica, from the club in the 70s to play a match against a bunch of Cockney Rags. Somewhere in the house are two shirts with a number five on. One is traditional sky blue bit the other is the white away strip with the sash like those shown and it has the name label of its previous wearer in, one Dave Watson. It was tight 40 years ago as Dave was slim with similar measurements for his chest and neck;) and so it was tight then on me but what a feeling to put on a shirt worn by a City hero as you line up on Hackney Marshes with a little Italian waiter in a red t shirt in your sights. My shirt almost burst with pride before Pride in Battle was invented.
But it would have been even better if we had a red and black shirt then. An all time favourite.
But it would have been even better if we had a red and black shirt then. An all time favourite.