Red Cafe In Meltdown Derby Special!

[pauldominic]

If I'm honest I've spent longer watching Rag Cafe than I have Bluemoon in the last 12 hours. It's quite good fun to see the despair, the worry, the desperation, the frustration... it's delicious really.

One or two of them are pretty fair surprisingly, I've been amazed that some are very complimentary about Yaya and Kompany.

And I see it's no different to here in a way, whingeing about how biased Sky and referees are!

I couldn't put it better myself. It's one of those itchy moments where your curiosity gets the better of you. A bit like a car accident where you have to slow down to inspect the damage.

 

[pauldominic]

Well well well, I can see people are having a field day.

I come here in peace, I guess the better team won last night. Overall you've deserved this title as you were better than any other team.

At home you don't seem to have any weaknesses.

Your team are going to be a force next year in Europe and I can't wait to see City-Barca or City-Real to see how well you're going to do.

An exciting period is going to start for you now. It's all sweeter for your fans who were there from day one.

I do not hold any grudge towards City fans. I even think a new rival to replace Liverpool is good for us and good for football. I guess your biggest ennemy is Manchester City itself. We'll see how your "superstars" behave this summer and the next season. They have shown to be complacent away from home at times, a bit like us against Wigan of late. As reigning champions all teams will be waiting for you even more next season and I'm curious to see how you will be dealing with that.

You could argue it was already the case this season but the extra aura of the current champions are going to bring something and you'll be tasting it next season.

After the 4-4 draw against Everton I knew we wouldn't have the welly to hold a draw. So i've been expecting it for more than a week.

Congratulations to you

Fair point Becky although teams seem to have raised their performance many times this season against City. Paradoxically many teams have rolled over against United because of their reputation.

 

[Bluemanc100]

On a cruise in the med with Royal Carribean and limited access to Internet. I knew that fate was on our side last night, the first bar we found on ship was called "Blue Moon"

Watched with a shit load of Irish Rags in the Sports Bar and with another couple of Blues gave them shit!!

Anyway, reason for post is Red Cafe, they have the audacity to call us bitter, there are posts there from members with 40k posts saying "they've bought success" wankers of the highest order.... They've been doing it for years

 

[pauldominic]

Well well well, I can see people are having a field day.

I come here in peace, I guess the better team won last night. Overall you've deserved this title as you were better than any other team.

At home you don't seem to have any weaknesses.

Your team are going to be a force next year in Europe and I can't wait to see City-Barca or City-Real to see how well you're going to do.

An exciting period is going to start for you now. It's all sweeter for your fans who were there from day one.

I do not hold any grudge towards City fans. I even think a new rival to replace Liverpool is good for us and good for football. I guess your biggest ennemy is Manchester City itself. We'll see how your "superstars" behave this summer and the next season. They have shown to be complacent away from home at times, a bit like us against Wigan of late. As reigning champions all teams will be waiting for you even more next season and I'm curious to see how you will be dealing with that.

You could argue it was already the case this season but the extra aura of the current champions are going to bring something and you'll be tasting it next season.

After the 4-4 draw against Everton I knew we wouldn't have the welly to hold a draw. So i've been expecting it for more than a week.

Congratulations to you

Fair play for that becky - it takes some balls to come on here the day after you've been beaten by us, especially as it was such an important game.

I will point out, however, that this is by no means over yet and there's still plenty of football to be played. Hopefully "typical City" doesn't come to the fore against Newcastle or QPR.

This is what worries me more than anything. There's still plenty of room for cock-ups.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Well well well, I can see people are having a field day.

I come here in peace, I guess the better team won last night. Overall you've deserved this title as you were better than any other team.

At home you don't seem to have any weaknesses.

Your team are going to be a force next year in Europe and I can't wait to see City-Barca or City-Real to see how well you're going to do.

An exciting period is going to start for you now. It's all sweeter for your fans who were there from day one.

I do not hold any grudge towards City fans. I even think a new rival to replace Liverpool is good for us and good for football. I guess your biggest ennemy is Manchester City itself. We'll see how your "superstars" behave this summer and the next season. They have shown to be complacent away from home at times, a bit like us against Wigan of late. As reigning champions all teams will be waiting for you even more next season and I'm curious to see how you will be dealing with that.

You could argue it was already the case this season but the extra aura of the current champions are going to bring something and you'll be tasting it next season.

After the 4-4 draw against Everton I knew we wouldn't have the welly to hold a draw. So i've been expecting it for more than a week.

Congratulations to you

'A new rival to replace Liverpool'

Fuck off you clueless twat.

'We'll see how your "superstars" behave this summer'

And we'll all get to see Rooney look like a fat bald **** for England again as he spectacularly fails to perform as per the last 10 years.

Now, fuck off to your derby game against Liverpool and close the door on the way out you grief junkie woman.

 

[pauldominic]

Just one thing i'd like to point out. At least a united fans can come on this forum and post a comment unlike rag cafe where they all live in a protective fucking bubble and nobody can dare question the shit that some of their lot write about our club. you cant post on there without 6 months of wanking fergie off

Precisely and well said Bob. They can't tolerate even the smallest amount of banter.

 

[Bluemoon115]

Well well well, I can see people are having a field day.

I come here in peace, I guess the better team won last night. Overall you've deserved this title as you were better than any other team.

At home you don't seem to have any weaknesses.

Your team are going to be a force next year in Europe and I can't wait to see City-Barca or City-Real to see how well you're going to do.

An exciting period is going to start for you now. It's all sweeter for your fans who were there from day one.

I do not hold any grudge towards City fans. I even think a new rival to replace Liverpool is good for us and good for football. I guess your biggest ennemy is Manchester City itself. We'll see how your "superstars" behave this summer and the next season. They have shown to be complacent away from home at times, a bit like us against Wigan of late. As reigning champions all teams will be waiting for you even more next season and I'm curious to see how you will be dealing with that.

You could argue it was already the case this season but the extra aura of the current champions are going to bring something and you'll be tasting it next season.

After the 4-4 draw against Everton I knew we wouldn't have the welly to hold a draw. So i've been expecting it for more than a week.

Congratulations to you

'A new rival to replace Liverpool'

Fuck off you clueless twat.

'We'll see how your "superstars" behave this summer'

And we'll all get to see Rooney look like a fat bald **** for England again as he spectacularly fails to perform as per the last 10 years.

Now, fuck off to your derby game against Liverpool and close the door on the way out you grief junkie woman.

Yep.

 

[pauldominic]

Re: Get on this...

Man City will never be better than us, until they win the title using home grown players, and buying players from money earned at the gate, not from what's been handed to them on a plate.

de Gea? Nope
Ferdinand? Nope
Smalling? Nope
Jones? Nope
Evra? Nope
Carrick? Nope
Scholes? Yes.
Nani? Nope.
Park? Nope.
Giggs? Yes.
Rooney? Nope.

So two home grown players out of eleven means they have challenged with, ahem, home grown players.

Nice one.

(I'm not taking any credit for coming out with this by any means because the article is sheer genius, but this is essential reading!)

From 1988-91, United spent £15.2m = 1.62x their 1989 revenue of £9.4m. That's the equivalent of United spending £533m today.
So United were allowed to spend first in order to grow, & continue spending freely for next 2 decades. But City will be banned from doing same. Also, Martin Edwards borrowed the money to fund that investment in players, just like Sheikh Mansour has with City.
The money was borrowed not self-financed. Utd were allowed to do something that City won't be allowed to do, i.e. carry on spending. Utd were allowed to spend first in order to become more successful, and they were allowed to continue spending without any limitations on how much they spent. And it also disproves the myth that Utd didn't spend in order to become successful under fergie.
Uniteds revenue was £9.4m in 1989. Uniteds revenue is now £330m. He invested first in order to grow. It only became self-financing AFTER Utd had grown. But these new FFP rules actually bans clubs from investing first in order to grow.
Utd spent 1.62x their revenue, which equates to a huge amount today and Utd would not have met FFP rules in 1989. Obviously there is inflation but that is almost equivalent to City-style spending
Utd basically bought an entire new first team (in fact the XI fielded v MCFC in the 5-1 defeat was the most expensively assembled team then), and they spent a huge amount doing so, and that new first team went on to win trophy after trophy from 1992 onwards. THAT was the team that started Utd's success.
FFP has been specifically designed to stop clubs like City and Chelsea from outspending rivals. FFP has been designed to stop smaller clubs from being able to compete with bigger clubs. And the people who negotiated it with UEFA were the ECA exec board, which consists of David Gill (Man United Chief Exec), Rummenigge, and CEOs/presidents from Real, Barca, AC, Inter etc.
City have spent first in order to grow, but we won't be allowed to continue spending, so our growth will be curtailed by FFP. MUFC didn't have that limitation that MCFC have.
The point being that why did the rules change to stop MCFC being able to spend money?
The answer: It's because of this bunch of biased club executives below:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.ecaeurope.com/about-eca/eca-executive-board/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ecaeurope.com/about-eca/eca-executive-board/</a>
These were the ones who negotiated FFP with Platini, and surprise surprise they managed to get FFP designed in such a way that it stops clubs like City from being able to compete financially with Utd, Bayern, Real, Barca, AC and Inter - the exact teams who have representatives on the ECA exec board. Keep the big teams big and the poor teams poor. Changing the rules to stop certain teams being able to compete is called "cheating", I think you'll find.
FFP rules were originally going to regulate debt and then next you heard about FFP it was based on clubs' revenue and "break-even". Many journos such as Oliver Kay and Marcotti from The Times and Martin Samuel from the Daily Mail all think that FFP has been deliberately designed to protect clubs like Utd, Bayern, Real, Barca, AC, Inter at the top and to stop clubs like City and Chelsea from being able to compete with those clubs. It's not rocket science to see that it has been designed to do that. For example, if FFP came in tomorrow, and assuming wages = 58% of revenue, this shows what each of the top 6 clubs would be allowed to spend on wages:

1. United; 192m
2. Chelsea; 141m
3. Arsenal; 131m
4. Liverpool; 108m
5. Spurs; 95m
6. Manchester City; 89m

My point, which is that Utd were allowed to invest first in order to grow and then to continue spending on winning a title and then the introduction of Sky’s money gave them money to invest.
This demolishing the myth that Utd didn't spend before they became successful, and I'm showing that Utd were allowed to carry on spending after that initial huge investment, whereas City will be banned from doing the same due to FFP

Excellent post my friend.<br /><br />-- Tue May 01, 2012 5:35 pm --<br /><br />

Well well well, I can see people are having a field day.

I come here in peace, I guess the better team won last night. Overall you've deserved this title as you were better than any other team.

At home you don't seem to have any weaknesses.

Your team are going to be a force next year in Europe and I can't wait to see City-Barca or City-Real to see how well you're going to do.

An exciting period is going to start for you now. It's all sweeter for your fans who were there from day one.

I do not hold any grudge towards City fans. I even think a new rival to replace Liverpool is good for us and good for football. I guess your biggest ennemy is Manchester City itself. We'll see how your "superstars" behave this summer and the next season. They have shown to be complacent away from home at times, a bit like us against Wigan of late. As reigning champions all teams will be waiting for you even more next season and I'm curious to see how you will be dealing with that.

You could argue it was already the case this season but the extra aura of the current champions are going to bring something and you'll be tasting it next season.

After the 4-4 draw against Everton I knew we wouldn't have the welly to hold a draw. So i've been expecting it for more than a week.

Congratulations to you

'A new rival to replace Liverpool'

Fuck off you clueless twat.

'We'll see how your "superstars" behave this summer'

And we'll all get to see Rooney look like a fat bald **** for England again as he spectacularly fails to perform as per the last 10 years.

Now, fuck off to your derby game against Liverpool and close the door on the way out you grief junkie woman.

C'mon can't you take gentle banter. Becky if you revisit, I'd say you're welcome on BM.

 

[gaudinho's stolen car]

Well well well, I can see people are having a field day.

I come here in peace, I guess the better team won last night. Overall you've deserved this title as you were better than any other team.

At home you don't seem to have any weaknesses.

Your team are going to be a force next year in Europe and I can't wait to see City-Barca or City-Real to see how well you're going to do.

An exciting period is going to start for you now. It's all sweeter for your fans who were there from day one.

I do not hold any grudge towards City fans. I even think a new rival to replace Liverpool is good for us and good for football. I guess your biggest ennemy is Manchester City itself. We'll see how your "superstars" behave this summer and the next season. They have shown to be complacent away from home at times, a bit like us against Wigan of late. As reigning champions all teams will be waiting for you even more next season and I'm curious to see how you will be dealing with that.

You could argue it was already the case this season but the extra aura of the current champions are going to bring something and you'll be tasting it next season.

After the 4-4 draw against Everton I knew we wouldn't have the welly to hold a draw. So i've been expecting it for more than a week.

Congratulations to you

'A new rival to replace Liverpool'

Fuck off you clueless twat.

'We'll see how your "superstars" behave this summer'

And we'll all get to see Rooney look like a fat bald **** for England again as he spectacularly fails to perform as per the last 10 years.

Now, fuck off to your derby game against Liverpool and close the door on the way out you grief junkie woman.

 

[SWP's back]

Re: Get on this...

Becky if you revisit, I'd say you're welcome on BM.

If only you were eh