deegee33
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Did City beat a "top 6" side yesterday? Or did we beat another midtable team? Perhaps their insights should consider records against the "top 10" as I consider that a more realistic goal for the rags.
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Loving their crazy but genuine question thread!
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What sets City apart is how they can keep buying players over and over for the same positions until they get one that works. The squad depth they have amassed doing that is incredible. If we buy a left winger and he turns out to be a dud, we have to live with it. They just go and buy another one in the next window.
11101 said: ↑
What sets City apart is how they can keep buying players over and over for the same positions until they get one that works. The squad depth they have amassed doing that is incredible. If we buy a left winger and he turns out to be a dud, we have to live with it. They just go and buy another one in the next window.
Christ I never seen that, unbelievable. The poster did say to be fair "most" of the press, whilst that article is actually embarrassing I wouldn't describe one piece form and idiot at the BBC as most. Crazy that working in football you can be so rubbish at your job and continue in employment, very jealous.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/grumpy-jose-mourinho-mojo-backjust-13557689
https://tribuna.com/en/manutd/news/3074861/
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/f...-news-Jose-Mourinho-Manchester-derby-Man-City
https://www.besoccer.com/new/chelsea-masterclass-gives-jose-his-mojo-back
Gareth Barry Conlon
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All the hype over spending and backing the manager is misplaced blame in my opinion.
Transfer fees get the headlines but in reality there is no visibility in to the exact figures, the press tend to narrow down on a number based on speculation at the time. The real numbers you can reliably work with come from the accounts and so are a bit historic but there are 4 figures you can quote with relative certainty: Wages, Other fees (covering Agent Fees), Transfer fee amortisation (fees for current players divided over the length of contacts) and any profit on player sales. There is as always some detail behind the number we don't know but this is the best indication of 'investment' and 'backing the manager' you are going to get.
Swiss Ramble does a good job in isolating these figures for all clubs and when you look at both clubs for the last set of accounts this is what you get:
Rags - Man City
Wages: £263.5 - £243.8
Other fees : £117.0 - £98.4
Player Amortization : £129.9 - £124.9
Profit on player sales : +£10.9 - +£34.6
So rags outspend us in every department when you look at the audited figures. They don't reflect the current squad but I don't envisage much change - Mahrez the only big addition for us. A couple for them including Sanchez, Fred and Dalot that are not in these figures. So we are not by any stretch outspending them.
That said - i'm not arsed by the narrative. Let them deflect from the real problems. Let them think they are not spending the money. Let them blame Edd and the board.
Transfer fees get the headlines but in reality there is no visibility in to the exact figures, the press tend to narrow down on a number based on speculation at the time. The real numbers you can reliably work with come from the accounts and so are a bit historic but there are 4 figures you can quote with relative certainty: Wages, Other fees (covering Agent Fees), Transfer fee amortisation (fees for current players divided over the length of contacts) and any profit on player sales. There is as always some detail behind the number we don't know but this is the best indication of 'investment' and 'backing the manager' you are going to get.
Swiss Ramble does a good job in isolating these figures for all clubs and when you look at both clubs for the last set of accounts this is what you get:
Rags - Man City
Wages: £263.5 - £243.8
Other fees : £117.0 - £98.4
Player Amortization : £129.9 - £124.9
Profit on player sales : +£10.9 - +£34.6
So rags outspend us in every department when you look at the audited figures. They don't reflect the current squad but I don't envisage much change - Mahrez the only big addition for us. A couple for them including Sanchez, Fred and Dalot that are not in these figures. So we are not by any stretch outspending them.
That said - i'm not arsed by the narrative. Let them deflect from the real problems. Let them think they are not spending the money. Let them blame Edd and the board.
More than happy to hold my hands up here, genuinely hadn't seen one thing suggesting he had his mojo back. Still shocked anyone in the right frame of mind would do such an article. Madness.
More than happy to hold my hands up here, genuinely hadn't seen one thing suggesting he had his mojo back. Still shocked anyone in the right frame of mind would do such an article. Madness.
Yes madness indeed from the press !
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I love sad cafe was playing it all last night in the pub
BrianW
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Must be hard for Rag fans. Rather like being king for 20 years, then one day you're deposed and are just a knight. A knight that's pretty shit at jousting and can't get a lady.
When Pep and Maureen arrived, City and United had finished level on points. The narrative they push of poor old Jose having to start from miles behind Pep is not backed up by the points both squads accrued the season before
I do agree but our squad finishing 4th that season really underperformed. We was level on points which I think suggests the two teams were closer to each other than what they probably actually were. What we done is barring one or two signings was identify our weaknesses and have a plan with what we wanted to do and the style we was going to do it in. They randomly threw cash at players for the sake of it rather than planning ahead like us. We spent wiser and are reaping the benefits from it.
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Must be hard for Rag fans. Rather like being king for 20 years, then one day you're deposed and are just a knight. A knight that's pretty shit at jousting and can't get a lady.
More like the court jesters these days.