Ref Watch

[hertsblue]

Michael Oliver yet again for us v West Ham
2nd time in 3 PL games, Riley taking the absolute piss [ Alty for Rags at Chelsea). Cant remember any other time a club has had the same ref 2 out of 3 games. They must be proud of his corrupt performance at the Swamp against us to get us again so quickly

 

[Paladin]

Can't work out if Attwell is bent or incompetent?

Maybe a bit of both. He's certainly improved as a referee since they put him in at a very young age as some kind of experiment.

The Foden free kick was purely guesswork. Their player went down first, so give them the free kick, with no clear knowledge of what really happened. We only know because of TV replays. Not bent, just bad refereeing, but it can be argued that he was favoring the defending team, and I've no problem with that. Most referees would do this so as to reduce the chance of a goal coming straight from a refereeing mistake.

The two goal kicks instead of corners? Just mistakes. Every referee makes mistakes. Every player makes a mistake sometimes. I can live with mistakes, so long was they are balanced. When they favour the same team, you have to start asking questions, but two is not a large enough sample to question his integrity.

The penalty to Sterling? Why give it in the first place if he was biased against us? Correct outcome.

The penalty to Gundogan? It would have been harsh.

The penalty to Bernardo? Definitely a penalty. The fact that he took two more steps before going to ground means nothing. The only question is, was he fouled inside the penalty area, and he clearly was. It's fine if he didn't give the penalty, because VAR is there to correct these obvious errors (as it did in the first half). So I would argue that Atwell showed incompetence rather than bias. VAR, on the other hand? Whoever that was needs to answer why no penalty for the Bernardo incident, if VAR reviews all contentious decisions.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Maybe a bit of both. He's certainly improved as a referee since they put him in at a very young age as some kind of experiment.

The Foden free kick was purely guesswork. Their player went down first, so give them the free kick, with no clear knowledge of what really happened. We only know because of TV replays. Not bent, just bad refereeing, but it can be argued that he was favoring the defending team, and I've no problem with that. Most referees would do this so as to reduce the chance of a goal coming straight from a refereeing mistake.

The two goal kicks instead of corners? Just mistakes. Every referee makes mistakes. Every player makes a mistake sometimes. I can live with mistakes, so long was they are balanced. When they favour the same team, you have to start asking questions, but two is not a large enough sample to question his integrity.

The penalty to Sterling? Why give it in the first place if he was biased against us? Correct outcome.

The penalty to Gundogan? It would have been harsh.

The penalty to Bernardo? Definitely a penalty. The fact that he took two more steps before going to ground means nothing. The only question is, was he fouled inside the penalty area, and he clearly was. It's fine if he didn't give the penalty, because VAR is there to correct these obvious errors (as it did in the first half). So I would argue that Atwell showed incompetence rather than bias. VAR, on the other hand? Whoever that was needs to answer why no penalty for the Bernardo incident, if VAR reviews all contentious decisions.

And, what links all those decisions? All went against City and all for the other team. There’s your balance.

 

[Roachy]

Has the useless midget Dermot had his say yet? Well when I say have his say I mean agree with every single decision over the weekend.

Put SSN on yesterday just to see any sports headlines. He was the first face I saw, instantaneously turned back to the western I had on. Useles fence sitting shitehawk.

 

[Blue Mist]

And, what links all those decisions? All went against City and all for the other team. There’s your balance.

And that my friend sums it up so well @Paladin makes some very good points in his post, referees make mistakes and sensible people accept that. But, when all the mistakes are made against one team........ can anyone point to an error that went against Everton ?

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I must admit that, as Rodri's shot screamed in, my immediate comment was "offside!"
Am I getting cynical in my old age?
;-)

I'm at the point now where I expect VAR to chalk off the next goal and the next blatant pen to be waved away as 'contact', a 'coming together'!

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Can't work out if Attwell is bent or incompetent?

In other news. Just saw the Klopp/Arteta spat. The bottler not giving Klub Shopp a red at Klanfield shocker.

Naturally the neutral dippers Sue Smith and Warnock passed it off as "part I the game".

Out of 100 Attwell decisions I think 99 would clearly fall into the latter category. I'd like to know what the refereeing fraternity think of the 'side netting' goal he gave some years ago! When he arrived on the PL scene as a 'fast track' it was as clear as the nose on Phil Thompson's face, that the inexperience was shining through! I must credit him with some improvement but he's just the same as the rest of the bunch - political, opaque refereeing and a quick dive into their 'own' LotG when it suits.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

I do not blame VAR for changing the Sterling penalty, the defender does bounce him but not trip him, the new interpretation of the rule eh, but when the ref blew City were in possession of the ball, and when he canceled the penalty he gave the ball to Everton, this is the second time this has happened, is this a new rule?

 

[Paladin]

And, what links all those decisions? All went against City and all for the other team. There’s your balance.

Well, we are obviously only talking about incidents that affect our team. Everton didn't have enough of the ball for many decisions to be made for or against them.

The referee made an incorrect decision in our favour, so even in this small sample, it wasn't "all" against City.

 

[Paladin]

And that my friend sums it up so well @Paladin makes some very good points in his post, referees make mistakes and sensible people accept that. But, when all the mistakes are made against one team........ can anyone point to an error that went against Everton ?

As above, the penalty. But the mistake was corrected. The penalty on Bernardo should have been corrected also, so in my view, the fault of with VAR, not Atwell on this occasion.