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[Gray]

Attwell is becoming a laughing stock, he needs dropping down the divisions.

 

[Silva2021]

Whether something funny is going on or if VAR is the problem.

I don’t like VAR but removing it now would be a backwards step.

Offsides have never been better, compare it to before.

Even United’s was not the fault of VAR but the people using it.

I still think there is a long way to go and a more automated system, that ensures the line is drawn by computer and at the same time for all teams would be the next step.

Handball needs a big overhaul.

The way it is implemented in the stadiums needs to drastically improve (hard to think how it could be worse, the viewers at home have a better experience).

I can’t imagine the frustration that would happen if VAR now went on decisions.

I can appreciate purists might love the passion of celebrating a goal in the moment more (however this could also be helped with an automated offside system), with potential offside coming up very quickly or not if automated.

 

[tregyblue61]

Attwell is becoming a laughing stock, he needs dropping down the divisions.

He needs dropping down a well

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Attwell is becoming a laughing stock, he needs dropping down a mine shaft.

Fixed that.

 

[spacecadet]

This is the 3rd time Webb has had to Apologise to Brighton this season.

The problem is they are trying to manufacture the desired result and have been using this method for three years. City have NEVER had a VAR decision go their way at home or away v rags and the dippers. Corrupt as fuck.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I'll stick my head above the parapet here and say I honestly think how you've been treated on here at times is a really bad look for this forum.

I get that you support another team and others often don't agree with your perspective but I've never seen you do anything other than present your side without getting personal. That's despite the fact that some posters have been very personal in highlighting and insulting you in particular time and time again. It's gotten to the point now where any time a referee gets something wrong people are tagging you as if you're somehow defending them or in some way responsible for shit refereeing despite having not said anything at all. It's fucking absurd and pathetic as fuck to be honest.

I've been guilty of looking past it on occasions if I disagreed with your opinion, but it's obvious some don't know how to attack the argument rather than the person.

Thanks mate, very kind

To be fair it’s only the same few posters who don’t want to discuss VAR rationally on here. Tried my best to be fair and debate reasonably but has to come a point where I gave up - which i did and stated openly I was bowing out.

Not had that on any other thread so It’s not a slight against Bluemoon as a whole at all and still the best forum there is.

As for VAR - I still sway incompetence over corruption, add to the mix there’s so many grey areas and fans are so tribal it’s always going to be outrage in some games, I’ve always said no system will please, especially if we did actually scrap VAR for old way of officiating - I think in some respects VAR has highlighted how bad on-field refs are (whilst acknowledging how tough it must be to spot decisions at rapid speed) , also it’s forgotten just how much it does get right, how many clear offsides and pens given that wouldn’t have been before is quite mental.

Also, realistically it’s not going to be scrapped is it ? Every major league around the world now has VAR - lower league managers are wanting VAR - why ? When they can see how bad it operates at times in the PL ? Because they know how farcical on-field decisions are , we often forget just how bad it was pre VAR. Not saying we should accept it and glad the bad decisions are highlighted and scrutinised- I’m in the same angry camp when Walton and others try and brush off some awful VAR decisions.

Anyhow, totally fine for others to have the opposite opinion and I agree in some respects with the reasoning to scrap it completely, especially when you see those decisions go against Brighton, particularly also as many point out when a goal is scored you have that underlying gut feeling it’s going to be ruled out.

End of the day, majority of us just want wants what is fair and not to be robbed, my feeling is VAR has to constantly find ways to improve and it always has a chance too - the old way didn’t .

I won’t go round in circles and get dragged back in on this - and I know in a few weeks time when there’s controversy in another match I’ll be getting tagged in again, as if bad decisions are my fault lol. Cheers again though bud.

 

[TonyM]

This is how I'd fix VAR.

Each team can call for a ref to view a monitor twice in a match. The ref can do it as many times as he likes beyond that.

VAR is done by each club. Both VAR teams get the exact same feeds to its fair. Both VAR teams have a max of 3 minutes to compile the images for the ref to view on the monitor at pitchside. The ref makes the final decision based on the supplied images. He is helped by his linesmen.

There are no offside lines. It's just a set of images for the refereeing team on the pitchside to review.

Each review could take 5 mins and the game could go over 2 hours start to finish. So what.

The VAR teams would have to compete to be the best so there would be little or no incompetence/corruption. City would employees the best in the world. The likes of Fulham might have amongst tge best in the world. So what.

The ref and his team would be the decision makers. No one is overriding them. If they are incompetent or corrupt then VAR was ineffective. So what.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Mitoma goal ball hits his shoulder, tbats because of the push in his back, if u dissallow the goal for a handball then it should have been a penalty.

Ali mac hits his thigh, nothing clear saying it hits his hand.

I was surprised that no-one made note of the push in the back. It seemed pretty clear that that was important to where the ball hit him.

Agree that I've not seen anything clear for McAllister.

 

[Blue Mist]

Having watched the highlights, two clear penalties for Brighton, the foul on Mitoma and the pull on Dunk. Also, not sure the Brighton goal disallowed for handball, touched the player’s hand. Certainly not clear and obvious. Disgraceful really that Atwell and his var team, who backed him to the hilt, are able to influence a game with a lot riding on it. His incompetence has been plain to see all season. Capped it off by sending the Spurs caretaker-manager off, who was the only one who steered clear of the melee.

Re the sending off. That incident showed Atwell has little or no idea what is going on in a game. The poor bloke deliberately stayed out of the melee.

 

[The slaughtered lamb]

Re the sending off. That incident showed Atwell has little or no idea what is going on in a game. The poor bloke deliberately stayed out of the melee.

I know. I have to say, I didn’t see how the incident started but it looked like he stayed out of it. Atwell’s a guesser, but only when it suits him. Usually he can see the grand sum of fuck all from 10 yards away and lets var do his job for him.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Re the sending off. That incident showed Atwell has little or no idea what is going on in a game. The poor bloke deliberately stayed out of the melee.

I think there's a guideline that if it's not clear who is responsible for a touchline set-to then it escalates to the manager.

 

[Gordyola]

There‘s nothing wrong with var, just the clowns that use it

VAR is a human that uses video to analysis incidents
There is so much wrong with using video to decide some decisions but not all
It has totally messed up the game
Last week a opposition player was offside the lino didnt flag and nothing became of that phase of play however the offending team kept the ball and almost scored in subsequent phases of play. Before VAR the lino would have flagged for offside. We now have total disparity as to when a lino will flag supposedly they leave it when it is close but this isn't the case Rashford clearly was offside in the derby Cann the lino didn't flag until the goal was scored, yet same lino in first half raised his flag twice for Foden, being what might have been onside under video examination. We saw the same in the liverpool game at the Etihad one was flagging straight away the other wasn't until the second half when Mr Keen suddenly changed when he was in the City defensive half all the crowd were berating him for it.
The officials were better without VAR so get rid and we can all start to enjoy the game better

 

[Coljj]

Each manager needs to have the ability to send the ref to the monitor after the VAR ref has cleared a potential foul/infringement. Make it one challenge per game. I also want to see the Fifa automated offside system implemented.

The fact that Webb pops up now and again to apologise without suggesting any future solutions being considered or adopted for next season is rather telling.

 

[Gordyola]

Attwell is becoming a laughing stock, he needs dropping down the divisions.

What do you becoming?
He was the only person in the world who didnt think Rashford was offside for the goal at the swamp

 

[Gordyola]

Each manager needs to have the ability to send the ref to the monitor after the VAR ref has cleared a potential foul/infringement. Make it one challenge per game. I also want to see the Fifa automated offside system implemented.

The fact that Webb pops up now and again to apologise without suggesting any future solutions being considered or adopted for next season is rather telling.

Please no this would become another time wasting momentum destroying tactic Lets get rid of VAR

 

[Norbiton]

The problem is they are trying to manufacture the desired result and have been using this method for three years. City have NEVER had a VAR decision go their way at home or away v rags and the dippers. Corrupt as fuck.

There was the Mahrez goal against them lot last season, given offside but over-ruled by VAR. But that made it 4-1 instead of 3-1, so hardly game-changing

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

The problem I have is that the liner has to be 100% sure the Mitomo goal was handball and I am not sure how he can from 35 yards away. Even looking in slow motion I am not sure either way. I suspect in real time liner thought it was handball and if he was wrong VAR would bail him out. Question to be asked though is if the goal had been awarded would VAR have overturned it. The other disallowed goal I am struggling to see where it hit his arm as in my mind it has hit his hip. As for the two penalties not being awarded that was a joke. Would like to hear the conversations that took place between VAR and ref. The system if used correctly is an addition to the game but the people responsible plus how it is used is all wrong.

 

[Blue Mist]

OK can we all go home now please. Webb has apologised, nothing to see here, move along now, there's good lads.
So that's it. An apology re one foul and we are all meant to forget it. Where's the apology for the shirt pulling non penalty ? The 2 disallowed goals that may or may not have been handball, the manager sent off for standing still minding his own business?

 

[Charliegull]

There‘s nothing wrong with var, just the clowns that use it

But VAR was introduced because of these clowns making mistakes, then you get the same clowns in charge if VAR.
yes VAR is a good idea but whats the point if these idiots are running it. Best to just get rid of it.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Anyhow, totally fine for others to have the opposite opinion and I agree in some respects with the reasoning to scrap it completely, especially when you see those decisions go against Brighton, particularly also as many point out when a goal is scored you have that underlying gut feeling it’s going to be ruled out.

Nothing wrong with VAR. Just the cretins that operate it. It’s an interesting debate around corruption vs incompetence. I do tend towards it’s both as POGMOL seem resistant to implement improvements like miking up the refs and being transparent about the dialogue with the VAR official. There is no way it will be withdrawn, we can only hope that someone sees the light and demands the changes that will drive improvements.