Ref Watch

[laplandblue]

Personally I think the result and the ref are 2 different things. We absolutely failed to close the game out and neither of their 2 goals were the fault of the referee. BUT as a separate issue the performance of the referee was once again shocking and once again seemingly anti-City and pro-“history team”. How he could allow 2 mins and 3 mins injury time in each half of extra time, and his complete inability to control madrids blatant time wasting and fouling, was utterly disgraceful. In fact it wasn’t inability, he just clearly didn’t want to, he was more keen to fist bump Luca midrib. The fact that he failed to book Madrid players for clear yellow card offences. His regular not giving us free kicks, indeed giving them free kicks for fouls on our players. All of the above was blatant anti-City game management that affected the result, or affected our ability to get a result. It’s the same in the PL, how the fuck do the dippers go 47 games in the PL without having a penalty given against them, double the previous record of ANY team in the PL EVER? Let’s be clear, this is absolutely and clearly corrupt and is about brand and money - in England it’s about what the premier league’s refs can do to assist the 2 clubs with significantly the hugest fan base; ffs the former long term head of the PL openly said that it’s good for the PL for united and liverpool to win it - if that’s what is said in public just what the fuck is being said in private? What’s being discussed in PIGMOB hq to help the PL “brand”. It’s the same in Europe - the refereeing performances are clearly biased towards the “history clubs”, those with the biggest world wide fan bases, those who uefa feel add most significantly to their coffers, such as Real, Barcelona, Bayern, Juventus, united and liverpool.

So yeah a couple of mins of bad defending and bad concentration was the main reason a wonderful football team lost last night, but our ability to compete on a level playing field was compromised big time by a clearly biased ref. And it will happen again and again and again, at home and abroad. Every trophy we win has to be won against unfair bias towards certain clubs, fuck knows how much harder we have to work to win something than liverpool, and anyone who thinks uefa and the PL aren’t bent, corrupt and influenced by greed probably also think Santa and the Easter bunny are real

" There are non so blind as those who will not see" John Heywood. Despite decisions favouring LiVARpool and certain other teams almost every game some still deny it and claim that decisions even out. LiVARpool's season would have been over before it began otherwise. We have seen that blatant favouritism in previous seasons helping them win the title for the first time in three decades. I'm sure it's no coincidence that after three decades it coincided with the demise of the other ".. cheek of the same arse". We saw those kind of decisions given almost every game to help United in to the top four in recent seasons. We see the same in the Champions League. With VAR though the old excuse of " human error " can no longer be relied upon for the people making them. I think as City have become stronger and stronger the favourable decisions towards City's competitor's has increased, until it has become blatant and people are becoming increasingly aware of what is going on.

 

[laplandblue]

I'm not in disagreement that the result last night was down to game management, the point of yours I was referring to was that Liverpool hadn't had 'luck' that impacted the result of a game. Which is a surreal take considering the games we have had against Liverpool. Granted, there's no guarantee that a result would have been different (there's no way of knowing), but on the balance of probability, those results would likely have been different.

Same probably could be said for the league and cups, Crystal Palace, West Ham, Everton, Villa in the league. Leicester, Arsenal( postponed due to false positive Covid results) and Chelsea in the Caraboa cup. Cardiff and Forest, even City in the F.A cup. Same in the Champions League, decisions in favour of LiVARpool and against City have changed the season dramatically.

 

[laplandblue]

I am convinced that refereeing performance was beyond ineptitude.

Teams know they can afford to kick the shit out of us without any consequences and the cumulative effect over a game leads to frustration on our players’ part and disturbs our rhythm.
Well done UEFA

Yet first opportunity, City players get booked. It accumulated over several games, LiVARpool, Athletico, Leeds, Real Madrid. This weakens the team with injuries too. With LiVARpool players immune to red cards most games their momentum is maintained.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

" There are non so blind as those who will not see" John Heywood. Despite decisions favouring LiVARpool and certain other teams almost every game some still deny it and claim that decisions even out. LiVARpool's season would have been over before it began otherwise. We have seen that blatant favouritism in previous seasons helping them win the title for the first time in three decades. I'm sure it's no coincidence that after three decades it coincided with the demise of the other ".. cheek of the same arse". We saw those kind of decisions given almost every game to help United in to the top four in recent seasons. We see the same in the Champions League. With VAR though the old excuse of " human error " can no longer be relied upon for the people making them. I think as City have become stronger and stronger the favourable decisions towards City's competitor's has increased, until it has become blatant and people are becoming increasingly aware of what is going on.

The favorable decisions is actually quite easy to spot penalty wise, just look up how many point gained through penalties as compared to how many lost at the time of the penalty, five years should be enough to convince anyone that stats do not lie. Far harder is the off sides no one records how many times the lines person gets it wrong or how many times VAR fails to implement the new Laws.

 

[laplandblue]

The favorable decisions is actually quite easy to spot penalty wise, just look up how many point gained through penalties as compared to how many lost at the time of the penalty, five years should be enough to convince anyone that stats do not lie. Far harder is the off sides no one records how many times the lines person gets it wrong or how many times VAR fails to implement the new Laws.

I agree. City are seldom allowed a penalty at one or two nil because usually that would finish the game in City's favour. The opposition are usually allowed to kick City all over the pitch whereas City players are given a card at the first opportunity. Last week against Leeds was yet another example and led to a serious injury for the opposition. Advantage is another thing that can make a big difference, whether it's allowed or not. LiVARpool, whenever things get tricky, often get a penalty, whereas penalties don't seem to be allowed in favour of the opposition. It's much more likely for a player to be sent off against them, whilst they are usually immune to red cards. They got an offside goal against Crystal Palace, followed by a dodgy penalty. Against Villa they got a penalty for a supposed dive, whilst Villa had a penalty waved away. Offside seems to be another tactic. Sometimes it seems the flag is put up incorrectly and it's called offside bringing an end to the play rather than reviewing the goal on VAR afterwards. City had two winning goals ruled out against LiVARpool. LiVARpool had a goal given against West Ham that was more offside than the goal Chelsea had ruled out against them in the final. Similar with the goal LiVARpool got against Forest and against Villareal in the first game of the semi final of the Champions League. Those are just a few examples of incidents over the course of a season. The favourited teams get decisions most games. Imagine how much of a difference that makes overall.

 

[mat]

You can understand his frustration

He won't have this issue when he join the rags.

 

[stonerblue]

At least Declan Rice had the balls to call it as it is with Refs (thought tbh the West Ham sending off was correct) but wish we made more of a fuss over it, home and abroad:

West Ham say they are aware of a video that appears to show Declan Rice accusing the referee of "corruption" after their Europa League semi-final defeat by Eintracht Frankfurt.

The video appeared to be taken in the tunnel following Thursday's game.
Rice is filmed shouting expletives at referee Jesus Gil Manzano.

Hammers boss David Moyes and defender Aaron Cresswell were sent off in the 1-0 defeat that led to an overall 3-1 loss on aggregate.

"The club is aware of the video circulating on social media but will not be commenting further until the referee's report has been considered," the club said.

"Ref, ref, it's so poor, all night, it's so bad," England midfielder Rice says in the video which has been widely circulated online.

"How can you be that bad, honestly? You've probably been paid."

Good lad Rice.

 

[mat]

Match officials training at the Axa training centre In Kirkby this morning.

 

[Cassandra]

I read this article before the game and didn’t think really think much of it. Now I’m not so sure

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City should definitely be doing something like this.
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Job description:

Coach players in how to butter up referees;
Prepare and publish a detailed critique of refereeing perfomances and liaise with PGMOL etc;
Represent club interest in any disciplinary matters and any siginificant meetings regarding new laws or guidance;
Collect visiting referees from/to airport/hotel (taxi driver uniform optional)

Qualifications
Fairly recently retired FIFA level referee, preferably with no attachment to PGMOL ideally with experience of refereeing significant international matches eg European Finals/Semi-finals, World cup final stages.

 

[bluenova]

City should definitely be doing something like this.
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Job description:

Coach players in how to butter up referees;
Prepare and publish a detailed critique of refereeing perfomances and liaise with PGMOL etc;
Represent club interest in any disciplinary matters and any siginificant meetings regarding new laws or guidance;
Collect visiting referees from/to airport/hotel (taxi driver uniform optional)

Qualifications
Fairly recently retired FIFA level referee, preferably with no attachment to PGMOL ideally with experience of refereeing significant international matches eg European Finals/Semi-finals, World cup final stages.

It's bizarre.

Can you imagine if one of the retiring refs rocked up at City next season, promoted with a video of him putting a City top over his refs top (as the Real Madrid guy apparently did), then stood in the technical area of each match, and constantly in the ear of the fourth official?

People's heads would explode.