Ref Watch

Trevor Morley's Tache said:
To be honest, the VAR argument is clouding the issue, and detracting from the fact that some referees are clearly corrupt. There is no other explanation for England's 'performance' yesterday.
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This. The club should insist that this cheat is not allowed anywhere near our games.
On top of yesterdays performance we have had him on Var this season for:

Liverpool away, where they officiated the game letting tackles go but as soon as we score, Var rules it out for a foul despite similar contact being ignored all game.

Wolves at home, the most blatant penalty ever not given when the defender boots Jack full on, wasn’t even just a touch but a proper whack on the knee.

A few days later Spurs at home and Richarlison playing Superman with him arms high up, clearly not a natural position and yet somehow Var rules no penalty for a handball.
 
Not sure any of this is a result of corruption I think it’s more a symptom of the fact that we aren’t very well liked for whatever reason. This overall feeling then passes on to the refs who want to please it seems ‘noone likes them so i’ll referee them harshly’

All you need to do is look at some fans comments about us, United fans, Fulham fans(!) and lower league fans bemoaning the poznan, empty seats, shit atmosphere.

It’s a shite state of affairs. So let’s win the fucking lot and give them something to cry about.
 
bluenova said:
Why do you think this?

They had two penalty shouts yesterday, and both times the ref immediately made that big cross motion to say he wasn't going to give them.

I didn't see him do that with the one we got, and given the angle he was looking at it, I can see why it went to VAR.
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Yeah, it was a blatantly obvious penalty from most angles. We were laughing in the South Stand as it was like the defender was stopping a basketball shot.

However, when you look at the ref's angle he might not have been able to see the hand as Ndidi's own head is obscuring it....and you can't give what you don't see.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.
 
Abattoir Blue said:
Yeah, it was a blatantly obvious penalty from most angles. We were laughing in the South Stand as it was like the defender was stopping a basketball shot.

However, when you look at the ref's angle he might not have been able to see the hand as Ndidi's own head is obscuring it....and you can't give what you don't see.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.
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England had a perfect, unobstructed view of the handball; Ndidi’s body was almost exactly parallel to his own, with his arm clearly out and it and the ball were contrasted conveniently by bright light pink advert hoardings behind. Couldn’t have been in a better setup to see it without standing right next to Grealish.

Even then he didn’t give it and then spent several minutes watching and rewatching the handball from every angle before VAR then went on to check several phases of play prior to the incident to see if there were any fouls by City players that would negate the handball (which the commentators confirmed on my feed).

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bluenova said:
Why do you think this?

They had two penalty shouts yesterday, and both times the ref immediately made that big cross motion to say he wasn't going to give them.

I didn't see him do that with the one we got, and given the angle he was looking at it, I can see why it went to VAR.
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Do you remember the grand old days of contact equals penalty (Leicester x3) and KW being called an idiot by Keane? Or Tront flagging for a taxi, they gave them or not because they could. That’s why, I think pre-var we got stiffed in both boxes on numerous occasions. That ref allowed Var to run the game yesterday, don’t be fooled because the end result was correct, he was incompetent
 
Stephen230 said:
But they got both decisions right and we’re still not happy?
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His overall performance was poor.in real time he was looking at the handball and immediately indicated no penalty. Took so many looks at the VAR monitor to make a decision! The Grealish incident was a good deal closer than you are saying. His issue of yellow cards was appalling. Silva correctly yellow carded whilst Leicester players getting away with offences until the 89th minute. Blatant dive from Maddison not penalised. Is this not against the laws of the game? Even gave a throw in the wrong way against Akanji. I will give credit to a good official but he is a poor one.
 
richardtheref said:
I have said it before but if the ref cannot see that in real time he really needs to think about another occupation. Clear as day in real time
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England literally could not have had a better view of the incident without standing right behind Grealish. Even had Ndidi’s arm and the ball perfectly contrasted behind by light pink as hoardings.


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RiversideBlue said:
VAR is shit but it wasn't conclusive that Grealish was fouled in the box so VAR isn't allowed to change the refs decision to give a free kick outside the box. Incorrect decision by ref, Correct decision by VAR

City given a penalty for the handball. Incorrect decision by ref, Correct Decision by VAR.

I detest VAR but come on, they got it right today.
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Disagree. The 1st one was a foul, the ref & VAR gave a corner. Incorrect decision reached by both. It should have been either a free kick just outside or a penalty
 
SWPISHOME said:
He was looking at it that long I was doubting if he even going to give it ffs :)
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That's a bit harsh tbf, if he was looking at the same clips we were at the time, the VAR gave him first two awful angles and then finally a good one. I don't think we should complain about five seconds when the VAR himself took two minutes to make his mind up, finally concluding he couldn't find any reason, no matter how small, not to give it.
 
richardtheref said:
Disagree. The 1st one was a foul, the ref & VAR gave a corner. Incorrect decision reached by both. It should have been either a free kick just outside or a penalty
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VAR can't give a free kick outside the box. No penalty = go with the referee's decision. Stupid but that's where we are, isn't it?
 
richardtheref said:
Disagree. The 1st one was a foul, the ref & VAR gave a corner. Incorrect decision reached by both. It should have been either a free kick just outside or a penalty
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My point was that VAR can't be used to give a free kick outside the box. It can only award a penalty. Hence, even though they could see it was a foul they had to stick with the refs decision.
 
Clear foul on Jack and foot on the line so clear penalty. The fact the defender didn’t touch the bell and ref gave a corner is the best evidence of a clear and obvious error. Can’t understand why a penalty wasn’t given even after VAR looked at it. Wasn’t outside the box and defender went straight through him. Yet another example of why conversations between officials need to be made public as in rugby.
 
richardtheref said:
Why only 2 minutes injury time 1st half. 3 goals, 1 injury & nearly 5 minutes to review 2 possible penalties
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We are constantly short changed on injury time - most of the time we don't need it but it's the principal especially when the actual amount of ball in play is so low. Chelsea away 2 injuries in the first half and think it was 2 minutes given?
 
Goodlove said:
Not sure any of this is a result of corruption I think it’s more a symptom of the fact that we aren’t very well liked for whatever reason. This overall feeling then passes on to the refs who want to please it seems ‘noone likes them so i’ll referee them harshly’

All you need to do is look at some fans comments about us, United fans, Fulham fans(!) and lower league fans bemoaning the poznan, empty seats, shit atmosphere.

It’s a shite state of affairs. So let’s win the fucking lot and give them something to cry about.
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@Goodlove you state you are not sure its corruption but then go on to describe the very meaning of the word.
Corruption isn't always about money being paid. It is about not acting honestly. A ref wants a cup final and knows he will get it if he pleases his bosses by acting dishonestly (not giving obvious decisions)
The GPC bullied the PL and Pigmob, if you upset him, you didn't get the next rags v dippers match. All the refs knew this so acted corruptly.
 
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