Ref Watch

[SilverFox2]

After watching EFL play offs there seem to be some excellent referees coming through, certainly a step up from Mason, Attwell or Moss. Hopefully will be promoted soon.

But will they ref the way Mr Riley wants them to?
When your boss wants results not accuracy promotion may not come your way.

 

[richardtheref]

True. Oliver
You rate over from memory though don't you. I have been blasted because i think he and Taylor are our best.
I rate your opinion am I wrong ?

I think Atkinson & Oliver are the best. However, they are the best of a bad bunch. Think Taylor is also not bad.

The worst being Jon Moss (who failed the fitness test 2x last year), Attwell & Mason.

 

[Paladin]

I think Atkinson & Oliver are the best. However, they are the best of a bad bunch. Think Taylor is also not bad.

The worst being Jon Moss (who failed the fitness test 2x last year), Attwell & Mason.

He must be pretty bad to fail the fitness test. When I used to do it for the Unibond League, they always used to extend the time to allow the stragglers to cross the line. You only need average fitness levels to complete almost 400m beyond the minimum.

And yet he is still refereeing each year, amongst the fittest men in the country, and picking up a salary of £70k plus £1500 per match. And that's without any bonuses from his alleged links with syndicates.
https://www.sportekz.com/money/prem...ase of,and earn (£38,000 – £40,000) in a year.

 

[richardtheref]

He must be pretty bad to fail the fitness test. When I used to do it for the Unibond League, they always used to extend the time to allow the stragglers to cross the line. You only need average fitness levels to complete almost 400m beyond the minimum.

And yet he is still refereeing each year, amongst the fittest men in the country, and picking up a salary of £70k plus £1500 per match. And that's without any bonuses from his alleged links with syndicates.
https://www.sportekz.com/money/premier-league-referees-salaries/amp/#:~:text=Premier League match officials selected on base of,and earn (£38,000 – £40,000) in a year.

Always wondered how I managed to pass the fitness tests. LOL.

When I did my knee I got dispensation 3 years running. Now that was good of the FA but surely not right. Maybe Moss has the same agreement. Another serial failure of fitness tests was Dowd who then got "injured" but was still paid for almost 2 years before being forced to retire

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I think Atkinson & Oliver are the best. However, they are the best of a bad bunch. Think Taylor is also not bad.

The worst being Jon Moss (who failed the fitness test 2x last year), Attwell & Mason.

Be interesting to understand the fitness test standards, ie. 2 km in under 10, 5 km in under 160 bpm?

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

Most refs are quite like a lot of players. Go forward a lot faster than they do coming back. Fit enough to get in our passing lanes when we're attacking, but giving penalties against us from the fucking half way line.

 

[richardtheref]

Be interesting to understand the fitness test standards, ie. 2 km in under 10, 5 km in under 160 bpm?

I believe the current fitness tests for PL refs consists of 2 parts.

1. 6 sprints of 40m. These have to be done in 6 seconds or less. There is a few seconds break between each sprint but not sure exactly how long.

2 . 10 laps of a 400 mtr running track. You have to run 75 mtrs in 15 seconds & then walk 25 mtrs in 18 seconds. This is repeated for the full 10 laps.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I believe the current fitness tests for PL refs consists of 2 parts.

1. 6 sprints of 40m. These have to be done in 6 seconds or less. There is a few seconds break between each sprint but not sure exactly how long.

2 . 10 laps of a 400 mtr running track. You have to run 75 mtrs in 15 seconds & then walk 25 mtrs in 18 seconds. This is repeated for the full 10 laps.

Cheers, mate. Doesn’t seem too strenuous but would test somebody who has not kept up with their fitness, especially at some of the ages we see in the PL.

I only ask as poor standards of fitness will have an impact on decision making. It would make sense why we see some of the decisions made, some of them just aren‘t up to it physically.

 

[richardtheref]

Cheers, mate. Doesn’t seem too strenuous but would test somebody who has not kept up with their fitness, especially at some of the ages we see in the PL.

I only ask as poor standards of fitness will have an impact on decision making. It would make sense why we see some of the decisions made, some of them just aren‘t up to it physically.

You should try it. Not very easy at all. Should try it one day if you think its not too strenuous.

Last time I had to do a Level 4 test it was 3200 mtrs in 12 minutes. If you passed the finish line before 12 minutes you had to continue running until the 12 minutes was up. Rumour was that when Oliver did the test he was almost 1000 mtrs over when the 12 minutes expired.

About 15 year ago they got us to do a bleep test. Had to get to level 14 to pass the test. 1 lad only managed level 4 which is basically a brisk walk

 

[MillionMilesAway]

You should try it. Not very easy at all. Should try it one day if you think its not too strenuous.

Last time I had to do a Level 4 test it was 3200 mtrs in 12 minutes. If you passed the finish line before 12 minutes you had to continue running until the 12 minutes was up. Rumour was that when Oliver did the test he was almost 1000 mtrs over when the 12 minutes expired.

About 15 year ago they got us to do a bleep test. Had to get to level 14 to pass the test. 1 lad only managed level 4 which is basically a brisk walk

That second one sounds pretty hard to me.

First one would be dependent on the interval, I guess.

 

[ZanteWeatherman]

I still keep finding myself saying to my sons,”don’t worry that won’t be given, or will be, VAR will see it and give the right decision “. I must be getting more stupid as I get older because more and more VAR is just a tool to back up the original decision of the on field ref, which obviously isn’t always right.

Getting silly now. The Video ASSISTANT Ref should be exactly that.... an assistant. He should simply give the on-field referee the opportunity to look at whatever incident on the monitor and let the dullard make his own decision.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

You should try it. Not very easy at all. Should try it one day if you think its not too strenuous.

Last time I had to do a Level 4 test it was 3200 mtrs in 12 minutes. If you passed the finish line before 12 minutes you had to continue running until the 12 minutes was up. Rumour was that when Oliver did the test he was almost 1000 mtrs over when the 12 minutes expired.

About 15 year ago they got us to do a bleep test. Had to get to level 14 to pass the test. 1 lad only managed level 4 which is basically a brisk walk

I wasn’t playing it down, mate. These referees are supposed to be professional and the main part of that is being fit for purpose. I do 5 training sessions a week and have done similar all my life, that’s why I mention it would be more difficult for somebody who doesn’t train.

Interesting that you had to get to level 14 on a bleep test. 10-11 would be classed as a good measure of sprint fitness so level 14 would make them some of the best athletes we’ve ever seen. From what we’ve seen of ref’s over the years I’d suggest not many attained the score mentioned.

 

[City Man]

Bet he couldn't even razor smile.

Given you a like on condition you don't join the stand-up circuit any time soon.

 

[asahartford1]

I think Atkinson & Oliver are the best. However, they are the best of a bad bunch. Think Taylor is also not bad.

The worst being Jon Moss (who failed the fitness test 2x last year), Attwell & Mason.

Would agree on the most part, but Atkinson is well past his best.
If he was chosen for a European final, or a World cup I would be very nervous for him.
Cheers

 

[asahartford1]

I wasn’t playing it down, mate. These referees are supposed to be professional and the main part of that is being fit for purpose. I do 5 training sessions a week and have done similar all my life, that’s why I mention it would be more difficult for somebody who doesn’t train.

Interesting that you had to get to level 14 on a bleep test. 10-11 would be classed as a good measure of sprint fitness so level 14 would make them some of the best athletes we’ve ever seen. From what we’ve seen of ref’s over the years I’d suggest not many attained the score mentioned.

I got to level 13 bleep test for a number of years, I never saw the likes of Mason or Moss beside me

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I got to level 13 bleep test for a number of years, I never saw the likes of Mason or Moss beside me

That’s some going, mate. Playing football and rugby I’d regularly get above 12 but always stopped as there was nobody left to sprint against. Never got to 14.

 

[asahartford1]

That’s some going, mate. Playing football and rugby I’d regularly get above 12 but always stopped as there was nobody left to sprint against. Never got to 14.

I trained with a basketball pro, and ABA boxing middleweight., both had long strides suitable for that particular test.

We also did a test on the bike , spectrum and running machine, which I was competitive. One of the lads became British champion in spectrum 2000, despite never being in a canoe-)

I cannot imagine what type of diet and training regime results in the fat bastards that referee in the premier league

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Today I noticed a comment in the press concerning the operation of VAR producing the opposite conclusion to what is viewed by spectators , and making the statement that something is wrong.

That observation is made by Martin Samuels - no surprise as he is the best journalist out there imo.

He doesn't use the word corrupt but that is exactly what he is inferring. He is saying what so many supporters feel, that is that VAR is being used to achieve outcomes / decisions which are clearly wrong.

Supporters are being cheated by PiGMOL, and their referees.

Reading the article and Stuart Attwell came to mind with his " performance " seven days ago at Brighton.

 

[bluealf]

Today I noticed a comment in the press concerning the operation of VAR producing the opposite conclusion to what is viewed by spectators , and making the statement that something is wrong.

That observation is made by Martin Samuels - no surprise as he is the best journalist out there imo.

He doesn't use the word corrupt but that is exactly what he is inferring. He is saying what so many supporters feel, that is that VAR is being used to achieve outcomes / decisions which are clearly wrong.

Supporters are being cheated by PiGMOL, and their referees.

Reading the article and Stuart Attwell came to mind with his " performance " seven days ago at Brighton.

Just a shame he works for the mail, I refuse to allow their 3m advertising cookies onto my PC so can't read his articles now.

 

[Dodge]

So, if there's fitness tests for on-field referees, are there IQ tests for the VAR simpletons?