Referees’ Performances | 2024/2025

Against any other team the keeper would’ve been sent off.
The club needs to get some balls and start legal proceedings against VAR to at least make some noise about it, we don’t have to go through with it but if we keep allowing them to dry bum us they will !
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
What an absurd rule. So they would have ignored a penalty (if they weren’t looking for it) and no red card was involved. A total farce. Of course it was 100 per cent a red card. The officials are just lying to us as usual. They won’t release the tape will they?
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Penalty? They always check for potential penalty incidents which has no bearing on Henderson flapping the ball out of Haalands path outside the box. Red card all day, agreed, for which VAR should have recommended a look at the monitor.
 
Stephen230 said:
Because everyone round me thought he’d stopped play to check for a possible penalty to Palace, when the VAR sign came up on the scoreboard.
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And around me. But hey. We paid a fortune to be there. Little Jimmy from Mumbai who turned over two minutes earlier just to see what was happening - at least he knew what VAR was about.
 
wolfie1988 said:
3 minutes from the award of the penalty to the taking of it. Almost 2 minutes post the decision being confirmed by VAR.

Marmoush was stood with 5 yards behind the ball on the spot for 50 seconds before the referee blew his whistle. Delays for no reason at all.

They are complicit in slowing the game down and boring us all to death.
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We bore ourselves to death without the aid of the officials!
 
Paladin said:
That's correct, but it was a potential red card. We absolutely know that because many of the pundits thought it should have been a red card, and the media are debating whether or not it was a red card offence.

So at the very least, the VAR should have referred it back to Attwell for him to review it, especially as neither he nor the linesman saw the handball.

Attwell could then have viewed the incident and either red carded Henderson or deemed it not a red card and taken no further action. The VAR denied him that opportunity.
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I agree with that.

I thought the process was relatively clear.

VAR should say "did you see the deliberate handball outside the area"
ref team presumably say "no"
VAR then says "then, this is a clear and obvious error, and could have denied a GSO, recommend monitor review to assess if it was GSO"

That means Atwell has to make the decision - red card or nothing.

The explanation given (quite quickly, no more than about 5 minutes) was this "not an obvious GSO, but a possible GSO". There isn't such a division in the VAR rules - it's GSO or not.
If VAR had said "no GSO" we'd disagree, but it would be clear. Instead they fudged it with something made-up, and that's the damning part.

As Lineker said, it was a decision aimed at keeping it 11 vs 11, with the added benefit of keeping Atwell away from the decision.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
I think the ball went out pretty quickly and then it stopped for a VAR check.

Incidentally, and just to sum up the FA on this, I just went to their official Youtube channel to check the highlights of the final, and this complete red card cock up wasn't considered important enough to include in their highlights video. Funny that. Nor did it appear in their 'key moments' video. So it turns out us, every pundit and all of the media are just kidding ourselves. It was just a minor moment that had no impact on the game whatsoever.

Burying the evidence of their incompetence.

ETA: Actually, the City channel shows the full play. They clear it and I'd guess (because it's cut) that it just goes to VAR at the next stoppage.



Hell, even the Palace Youtube channel shows it. But the FA too cowardly as usual.
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At least there is some kind of consistency, especially where teams in red are concerned. They get all the decisions and on social media we can all see their goals but the videos of the dodgy stuff they get away with regularly is removed for " copyright " reasons.
 
Paladin said:
That's correct, but it was a potential red card. We absolutely know that because many of the pundits thought it should have been a red card, and the media are debating whether or not it was a red card offence.

So at the very least, the VAR should have referred it back to Attwell for him to review it, especially as neither he nor the linesman saw the handball.

Attwell could then have viewed the incident and either red carded Henderson or deemed it not a red card and taken no further action. The Crystal Palace fan on VAR denied him that opportunity.
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Centurions said:
Penalty? They always check for potential penalty incidents which has no bearing on Henderson flapping the ball out of Haalands path outside the box. Red card all day, agreed, for which VAR should have recommended a look at the monitor.
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What I meant is that hypothetically as they checked for handball/red card they had also seen a foul in the box on Haaland would they have ignored it unless it was a red card? It just shows that VAR is still subjective. I still don't understand how Atwell missed it. I wonder what was said on the tapes between the officials? Just a disgrace really and now they are lying to cover it up. If Henderson doesn't touch the ball then Haaland scores.
 
The sad thing is that this is what this cup final will be remembered for - not a great performance by Palace, including Henderson or the opportunities missed by City. There was always be a "yes, but" to their celebrations. The job of the referee and assistant is to be up with play and in a position to see Henderson handball it - had they done so, it's an easy free kick and yellow card decision - there would still be a debate about a red - but at least City would have a a free kick in a dangerous position, and Henderson would need to take more care and I think less debate would follow. The problem is that for VAR it is red or nothing - and that is a big gap - so they went with do nothing. Who knows - perhaps 10 man Palace would have still kept City out for the rest of the game and it would be the Matt Turner Final - what a story that would be instead of incompetent Stuart Atwell and the VAR team
 
willipp said:
Even dodgy dermot can't come up with a fucking excuse for the decision, that sums it up. The more i see it and the more its analysed the more and more my mood goes down. Its a fucking horrific decision.
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Let's just call it what it was. It was a bent decision. It is not possible for the VAR team to see it any other way then a red card. What did they say to Atwell? Why can't the paying customers who paid up to £400 for tickets get to hear the conversation. This is a bent process. Why did the official FA "key moments" highiights video not show this major incident? It smells like a conscious decison not to show the corruption in plain sight.
 
Might be a controversial opinion, but a lot of the issues with VAR are down to the guidelines as to what they can and can't look at, and the biggest single thing is the "clear and obvious error" rule.

If we're going to reinvent football as a new game now, you'd say the bloke with the whistle on the field running to keep up with play and needing 360 vision to see everything happening shouldn't be the ultimate referee, it should be the people with dozens of cameras and replay facilities.

They should have the ability to over-rule the on-field ref, they should have the final say, and they shouldn't be tied on only limited types of foul or solutions...

In this case, they could have advised it was a DOGSO, and/or a yellow or red card and/or a freekick on the edge of the box. No understanding of the "cant rule on something obviously wrong" can be allowed to remain.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Let's just call it what it was. It was a bent decision. It is not possible for the VAR team to see it any other way then a red card. What did they say to Atwell? Why can't the paying customers who paid up to £400 for tickets get to hear the conversation. This is a bent process. Why did the official FA "key moments" highiights video not show this major incident? It smells like a conscious decison not to show the corruption in plain sight.
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Spot on,and even if they do release the audio I’d be extremely sceptical over it as they could edit it or redo the bloody thing you just wouldn’t know,why can’t we have it like in rugby ref talking away to the TMO during whatever incident be it a high tackle or a possible try and putting it up on screens with different angles to confirm.The whole thing just stinks of something dodgy going on to assist certain teams and hamper others in games,while we have no transparency over what is being said between VAR and ref live ..
 
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