Referees’ Performances | 2024/2025

[Blue Mist]

So how come if the ref blows up VAR can’t get involved didn’t it get involved to give the rags a pen against Brighton when ref had blew up for FT ..

Yes and that's why
a) We know it's bent and
b) it's bent.

 

[Scottyboi]

Fucking fuming after seeing Martinez red card, the consistency is bollocks.

 

[TheGhost]

Ref blowing whistle stops play so VAR can't investigate
If a ref blows for full time but the incident occurs before the whistle and VAR is investigating then it is still in play and they can go back to take the pen even if the game has ended

The Brighton v Man U penalty incident happened before the ref blew the final whistle

 

[Pubteam Lomas]

That's just pathetic whingeing from Villa. They don't really believe that.

I disagree. The experienced officials needed to be at the pivotal games.

With PSR hovering like a dark cloud the officials had to be the best available. Villa got a guy who made a ric. One that may have cost them a lot of money and the ability to retain/sign players.

 

[skillman]

Atwell (the ref for the final) was the VAR for the Martinez red yesterday. Couldn’t make it up.

 

[Chris in London]

Have we worked out who misses out on European football because Palace have taken their place?

 

[BringBackSwales]

If it’s wrong it’s wrong, and they need to change the law so that VAR corrects it if it’s wrong, irrespective of whether the whistling wanker has blown or not. Stupid and unnecessary rule

 

[malkie]

I disagree. The experienced officials needed to be at the pivotal games.

With PSR hovering like a dark cloud the officials had to be the best available. Villa got a guy who made a ric. One that may have cost them a lot of money and the ability to retain/sign players.

This^^
Villa could now find themselves up shit creek with no method of propulsion.

 

[City_Sean]

Aston Villa can confirm the club has written to the PGMOL to raise concerns over the selection process of match officials following today’s game with Manchester United at Old Trafford.

With such high stakes surrounding today’s fixture, the club believe a more experienced referee should have been appointed. Of the 10 referees to officiate across the Premier League today, Mr. Bramall was the 2nd least experienced.

The decision to disallow Morgan Rogers’ goal, which would have given the club a 1-0 lead with 17 minutes remaining in the match, was a major contributing factor to the club not qualifying for the Champions League.

As per the standards that have been established over the course of the season, a decision to whistle early is clearly inconsistent with current refereeing guidelines. VAR exists to ensure that these types of situations receive the scrutiny they deserve. Unfortunately, the technology was not allowed to serve its purpose.

Ultimately, we acknowledge that the outcome for us will not change, but we believe that it is important to address the selection methodology to ensure that high stakes matches are treated as such with regards to officiating and to ensure that the implemented VAR technology is allowed to be effective.

Club Statement

Aston Villa has written to PGMOL following Premier League match at Manchester United

www.avfc.co.uk

Find it very hard to have any sympathy for Aston Villa considering the way their lot give it out. Europa League my lord

 

[halfcenturyup]

I disagree. The experienced officials needed to be at the pivotal games.

With PSR hovering like a dark cloud the officials had to be the best available. Villa got a guy who made a ric. One that may have cost them a lot of money and the ability to retain/sign players.

If he had got that one decision "right", would he have been good enough?

Shit happens. Blame the shit fairy. More to the point, blame Martinez. United beat them, FFS, that was entirely the referee's fault?

He refereed our game during the week didn't he? Was he worse than Attwell and Gillett from last weekend? And we didn't even lose to Palace last weekend because of their God awful decisions. We lost because we didn't finish any chances.

It's just sour grape bollocks from Villa. It's just too easy to blame the officials for everything.

All imho. You are welcome to your own.

 

[pauls]

Find it very hard to have any sympathy for Aston Villa considering the way their lot give it out. Europa League my lord

They can put all their imitation silver cups back in the drawer!

 

[Stiff Little Wingers]

C

Fucking fuming after seeing Martinez red card, the consistency is bollocks.

completely agree. The world we live in now is Orwellian where what you see is deemed not to have actually happened.
Haaland is about Togo through on goal but we are told he is going away from goal.
Hoijland is going away from goal nowhere near the penalty area and we are told it is an obvious goal scoring opportunity

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

That's where the system is a joke. They can change the game or do nothing, all based on whether the ref has blown or not rather than if it was an error or not.

In a situation like the Villa disallowed goal today, that's where it's needed. Had to feel for them on that basis. Didn't help that it was Diallo score for the rags shortly afterwards, he looks like a right cocky little twat. I know not many feel any sympathy for Villa but imagine if we had gone out like that?

Something wrong with the game though when Martinez gets sent off for stopping a clear and obvious goalscoring opportunity when the attacking player was heading closer to the corner flag than the net, whereas Haaland was completely in on goal on the edge of the D and virtually certain to score last week. If the Martinez incident is a certain sending off, it leaves the Henderson one beyond debate.

Point is, the way the standard of refereeing is going, it's a question of when rather than if. It cost us the FA Cup this year, it could cost us the title next year.

But the rules allow for VAR to intervene after the ref has whistled to award a goal or even for full time. This happens all the time while the VAR officials scrutinise the whole build-up to a goal to try and find a reason to disallow it. The concept of "clear and obvious error" has been abandoned. So the referee's whistle is only relevant some of the time. The rules are not consistent then and that's why they are easy to manipulate. If United had scored that goal at Old Trafford it would have been awarded. Let's just call it what it is. Villa were robbed of CL football and we were robbed of an FA Cup win (because we would certainly have won it except for Atwell's bent decision).

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Ref blowing whistle stops play so VAR can't investigate
If a ref blows for full time but the incident occurs before the whistle and VAR is investigating then it is still in play and they can go back to take the pen even if the game has ended

But the ref stops play every time he awards a goal using his whistle.

 

[typical]

But the ref stops play every time he awards a goal using his whistle.

You are looking at it from the wrong direction.

VAR can review incidents after the ref blows his whistle if those incidents occurred during play.

The united penalty incident occurred during play. The ref then blows for full time. VAR can review as it was in play. If the ref had blown his whistle and then the foul occurred the ball is dead so no review or penalty can be given. Once the ref blows, everything after is null and void until restarted. Apart from violent conduct I think. IE if play has stopped and someone punches another player which the ref misses, that can still be reviewed.

So for Villa, once he blew to stop play the ball was dead. No goal can be awarded as it went in after the whistle. And VAR have nothing they can do.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

You are looking at it from the wrong direction.

VAR can review incidents after the ref blows his whistle if those incidents occurred during play.

The united penalty incident occurred during play. The ref then blows for full time. VAR can review as it was in play. If the ref had blown his whistle and then the foul occurred the ball is dead so no review or penalty can be given. Once the ref blows, everything after is null and void until restarted. Apart from violent conduct I think. IE if play has stopped and someone punches another player which the ref misses, that can still be reviewed.

So for Villa, once he blew to stop play the ball was dead. No goal can be awarded as it went in after the whistle. And VAR have nothing they can do.

Why did var look at it then?

Although I was watching our game I've seen a X post of var being used and the commentators discussing if var would actually in real time.

Ultimately it's like everything else, rules will be bent & broken to suit what is wanted by 'the man'.

 

[typical]

Why did var look at it then?

Although I was watching our game I've seen a X post of var being used and the commentators discussing if var would actually in real time.

Ultimately it's like everything else, rules will be bent & broken to suit what is wanted by 'the man'.

Did they ? Maybe to check if the whistle went before the ball crossed the line. If it went in before the whistle they could have recommended an on field review for a mistake. But if they looked and saw / heard the whistle go first there is absolutely nothing they can do.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Did they ? Maybe to check if the whistle went before the ball crossed the line. If it went in before the whistle they could have recommended an on field review for a mistake. But if they looked and saw / heard the whistle go first there is absolutely nothing they can do.

There is no point using VAR if it doesn’t correct clear and obvious errors. The rules and the way they are interpreted are absurd. The media are manipulating the narrative and are part of the problem.

 

[typical]

There is no point using VAR if it doesn’t correct clear and obvious errors. The rules and the way they are interpreted are absurd. The media are manipulating the narrative and are part of the problem.

Can't disagree with you there. But as it stands the ref was at fault for blowing too soon and on this occasion VAR were powerless to intervene.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Can't disagree with you there. But as it stands the ref was at fault for blowing too soon and on this occasion VAR were powerless to intervene.

Under which LOTG should the referee play on if he sees an infringement and sees no advantage to the team fouled?