Referees/Officials 2017/18 performances

[hammersmithlad]

I think they will just disallow other goals for minor offences instead.

And no way Atkinson would have changed his decision on Ashley Young, he saw it clearly in real time as did his linesman (who he didn't ask).

He'd just say he got the ball & there was 'doubt'.

I would instruct the players to continuously kick the ball out of play until he did refer to VAR for such decisions - perhaps the only way to get their attention should it be introduced in the mainstream.

 

[pbueno16]

So we stick with the current system which you admit is shite...??!! And with that its guaranteed to never get any better.

Totally illogical to me, but each to their own....

Don't agree with them, but I can see where people who aren't in favor of VAR are coming from. The current system of retroactively booking players for fouls/dives is spotty at best and doesn't do anything at the moment the foul occurs. With VAR, the call can be reviewed, but there's no assumption that the person watching the replays actually knows what they're doing or are immune to favorism. I'm assuming that if and when VAR is implemented, the retroactive review process will cease to exist and all we can do is talk about what should have been. It reduces the doubt from missed angles and such, but there probably won't be anything to do about correcting calls without a lengthy appeals process.

It's a slippery slope, but at least it holds the head referee more accountable than the current system. Only thing that needs to be assured is that the video reviewer is impartial in every competition and match.

 

[Armaan]

How any city fan wouldn't want VAR after whats gone on this season, defies any sense of logic to me.....

Indeed. I don’t understand how any footballing fan can possibly be against it. Who cares if it takes 2 mins to get a decision, it will get the right decision 90% of the time and that’s a whole lot better than the shit we’re continuously dealt with from these corrupt refs. Had VAR been used we’d probably be 4-2 up going in to that second half tonight.

 

[Bluearmy]

Don't agree with them, but I can see where people who aren't in favor of VAR are coming from. The current system of retroactively booking players for fouls/dives is spotty at best and doesn't do anything at the moment the foul occurs. With VAR, the call can be reviewed, but there's no assumption that the person watching the replays actually knows what they're doing or are immune to favorism. I'm assuming that if and when VAR is implemented, the retroactive review process will cease to exist and all we can do is talk about what should have been. It reduces the doubt from missed angles and such, but there probably won't be anything to do about correcting calls without a lengthy appeals process.

It's a slippery slope, but at least it holds the head referee more accountable than the current system. Only thing that needs to be assured is that the video reviewer is impartial in every competition and match.

I do appreciate it is never going to be perfect. And there is a possibility it can still be abused (however the current system is hardly legit and above board as it is). However, lets take the Liverpool games. If it was just limited to offsides only, the first game finishes 2 1, and tonight we go 2 up. We may not have gone thru, but we very well might have done.... Never mind the Sterling penalty incident....!!! It would have corrected most of those incorrect decisions, and that changes the eventual outcome

 

[Bluearmy]

Indeed. I don’t understand how any footballing fan can possibly be against it. Who cares if it takes 2 mins to get a decision, it will get the right decision 90% of the time and that’s a whole lot better than the shit we’re continuously dealt with from these corrupt refs. Had VAR been used we’d probably be 4-2 up going in to that second half tonight.

Exactly... Shows how much under the current system, Refs can affect the outcome of games and that it never "evens itself out" as some would suggest.

 

[mosssideblue]

Don't agree with them, but I can see where people who aren't in favor of VAR are coming from. The current system of retroactively booking players for fouls/dives is spotty at best and doesn't do anything at the moment the foul occurs. With VAR, the call can be reviewed, but there's no assumption that the person watching the replays actually knows what they're doing or are immune to favorism. I'm assuming that if and when VAR is implemented, the retroactive review process will cease to exist and all we can do is talk about what should have been. It reduces the doubt from missed angles and such, but there probably won't be anything to do about correcting calls without a lengthy appeals process.

It's a slippery slope, but at least it holds the head referee more accountable than the current system. Only thing that needs to be assured is that the video reviewer is impartial in every competition and match.

Unless it is transparent and the crowd can see and hear what is being discussed, I just dont see it being that successful - as you say who is to say the assessor isn't as bent as the ref officiating

 

[BlueAnorak]

Unless it is transparent and the crowd can see and hear what is being discussed, I just dont see it being that successful - as you say who is to say the assessor isn't as bent as the ref officiating

This is my objection to it. If the crowd can't see the images on the big screen then it's just refs deciding who they want to win.

That said the way we've been twated over the last 3 games I'd take it in a flash. NOTHING can be as bad as the refereeing decisions we have had in our last 3 games.

 

[Armaan]

Exactly... Shows how much under the current system Refs affect the outcome of games and that it never "evens itself out" as some would suggest.

Refs decide matches more than the teams do. We had at least 5 major decisions go against us in this tie. 5. There’s just no way to overcome such blatant cheating, it’s impossible. Due to the ref we were left with needing to score 4 with 40 mins to go, more or less impossible. When the stakes are this high we absolutely need technology.

 

[Armaan]

This is my objection to it. If the crowd can't see the images on the big screen then it's just refs deciding who they want to win.

That said the way we've been twated over the last 3 games I'd take it in a flash. NOTHING can be as bad as the refereeing decisions we have had in our last 3 games.

Nah there’s no way refs could cheat with offside goals though is there? The refs won’t be able to get away with it if they cheat because they’ll no longer have that excuse of “I thought I saw this”.... bla bla. If they even attempted to cheat with the VAR system they would get absolutely hammered by everyone and would get demoted. There’s a lot more room to cheat in the current outdated setup.

 

[pbueno16]

I do appreciate it is never going to be perfect. And there is a possibility it can still be abused (however the current system is hardly legit and above board as it is). However, lets take the Liverpool games. If it was just limited to offsides only, the first game finishes 2 1, and tonight we go 2 up. We may not have gone thru, but we very well might have done.... Never mind the Sterling penalty incident....!!! It would have corrected most of those incorrect decisions, and that changes the eventual outcome

We could’ve advanced or playing in extra time had things actually been called properly. The game is in a sad place when we have this ‘take what you get’ or ‘getting a favorable call in lieu of a missed/bad call prior’ mentality when it comes to officiating. The refs are treated as they can do no wrong while the players and managers have to hold their tongue in response to obviously false or ignored calls.