Referees/Officials 2017/18 performances

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Offside is probably the most argued about and controversial part of the game. A change in the law to "clear air" between the players would alleviate most of the really tight decisions and together with VAR it would probably determine near to 100%. It won't be perfect though-nothing ever is. We also have to remember that a change would apply to grass roots football and it would probably ease things for Sunday morning refs as well.

The 'clear air' thing will just move the blurred line by a foot or two. I'm sure it's been tried before, hasn't it?

Will be it totally clear air, clear air at chest height? And it will still be got wrong. Someone then has to decide when that becomes 'clear and obvious'. It will still be a mess.
 
The 'clear air' thing will just move the blurred line by a foot or two. I'm sure it's been tried before, hasn't it?

Will be it totally clear air, clear air at chest height? And it will still be got wrong. Someone then has to decide when that becomes 'clear and obvious'. It will still be a mess.

I think it would be a lot more difficult to measure as well
 
So he (Oliver) gives that penalty last night for Madrid, aided by Artkinson behind the goal, for a slight nudge yet we have a stone wall pen and red card turned down, as they say in the press is it any wonder English ref's are thought so badly of.

True.
What I find equally bizarre is that logicaly it appears that each and every one of the assaults this season must have either
(a) been seen fully by the referee or
(b) he has admitted not seeing it properly but wouldn't have sent anyone off for it, or
(c) he has admitted not seeing it properly but the disciplinary panel of three don't all agree that it was a sending off offence.
I don't see how none of them would fall under that.

Equally, on Tuesday, while the offside was wrong, the lack of injury time at the first half was unfathomably wrong.
 
One of our "favourie" English referees is not very popular in Italy either ..................................

Juventus’ Gianluigi Buffon slams Michael Oliver

"Clearly you cannot have a heart in your chest, but a garbage bin. On top of that, if you don't have the character to walk on a pitch like this in a stadium like this, you can sit in the stands with your wife, your kids, drinking your Sprite and eating crisps.

"You cannot ruin the dreams of a team. I could've told the referee anything at that moment, but he had to understand the degree of the disaster he was creating. If you can't handle the pressure and have the courage to make a decision, then you should just sit in the stands and eat your crisps."

There's a chant in there somewhere.

'Sit in the stands and eat your crisps'
 
We score a perfectly good onside goal and it's given erroneously as offside? That isn't against us? It's wrong and the decision goes against us!

As for VAR getting it right? I am definitely in the VAR camp from the point of view that the shitty reffing we have had this season could not get shittier, but all I see from the application of VAR is the same referee or another referee making a judgment! Hopefully VAR will eradicate some of the errors of the past but there seems to be a reluctance, a heavy doubt from the people who decide and administer the system and I am too suspicious of these people to think that it will in anyway be transparent! Will we get the rugby big screen for the fans to see, or will it be some system installed in an unmarked van somewhere in Phillips Park? I think we will get little benefit from it if it is cloak and dagger implementation, and it is the latter which people like PiGMOl and the FArce would favour - once they've asked David Gill what system he would prefer!

My point was about the language of for or against vs the language of right and wrong. Offside is right or wrong, a foul even the hacking down of Aguero is an opinion.

Regarding VAR it needs bringing in but it needs to be open. Lots of things about how rugby is refereed should be I introduced. Mike up the refs, VAR on screen, moving 10yds for free kicks or awarded a further 10 forward. etc.
 
I went to the game on Tuesday night with a Catalan and big Barca friend who has recently moved to the UK. So between us we had a pretty poor night, him more so tbh. But one of the first things he mentioned at the start of the game was that the referee was terrible having seen him many times in laLiga. He said he wants to be the centre of attention and often makes the wrong calls. I said surely he can't have a bad a game as the last two refs we have had. Sadly I was wrong and my friend was right.
 
So he (Oliver) gives that penalty last night for Madrid, aided by Atkinson behind the goal, for a slight nudge yet we have a stone wall pen and red card turned down, as they say in the press is it any wonder English ref's are thought so badly of.
Wasn't it Oliver who saw fit to book Aguero for diving in the penalty area at Southampton one season when he had his legs taken from under him by a Saints defender?

He must have mellowed since or surely he would have booked Vazquez for a dive.

Just checked it was actually Mike Jones not Oliver - both as bad as each other.
 
Maybe we need more of Bayern, Juve etc asking for VAR as they are in the few of Uefa elite clubs.

Us and PSG could ask for years for VAR but if Juve joins, maybe Arsenal etc it will be quicker.

But then they still can sabotage the way they use VAR and they have every option to make VAR look really silly and bad.
 
Even though we were soundly beaten over 2 legs in champs lge with VAR it could have been so much diffrent 3 offside decisions against all at crucial parts of the game. I doubt it will ever come in as it wouldn't give the bent fuckers as much of a chance to influence games.
 
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