Referees/Officials 2017/18 performances

[Bob Smiles]

Look at that Zaha penalty and he got of? Watch him bust a gut to stay on his feet with more contact fouling then once he gets in the box he is hardly touched and goes down like a sack spuds! These so called experts should know what he is trying to do cheat!! In point whatsoever in looking at any incidents or bringing VAR it will be worse.

He realised that a foul outside the box wasn't what was required and ploughed on until he got into the box. The ref bought it hook, line and sinker.

 

[Rolee]

VAR this, retrospective action that. Its all well and good discussing these issues but we're getting away from a much bigger issue that needs highlighting, it's high time that PGMOL came out with the truth about their Howard Webb cloning experiment, accepted that it has failed and apologised to the Premier league as well as the viewing public.

So far we have seen Fat Webb

Skinny ( Alty) Webb

And of course Demento Webb

This has been a failure of epic proportions and something must be done to stop it before it gets out of control.

 

[waspish]

He realised that a foul outside the box wasn't what was required and ploughed on until he got into the box. The ref bought it hook, line and sinker.

Referee did buy it but the panel should know what zaha is trying to do and he should of got a 2 Match ban. If we get a penalty for similar be interesting how that is judged now the precedent been set!

 

[Bob Smiles]

Referee did buy it but the panel should know what zaha is trying to do and he should of got a 2 Match ban. If we get a penalty for similar be interesting how that is judged now the precedent been set!

Sadly, it does depend on who is on the panel. So many players and managers don't actually know the rules or how to apply them in many different circumstances. You hear comments from ex players/managers referring to what they think as being the rules and people think they are right. They talk about 'clever' fouls, 'good yellows' etc. but it's all just cheating really.

 

[Bozzie]

The fact that Niasse got done and Gray didn't just demonstrates to me that the system employed would not know an arse from an elbow. I've not seen the Zaha 'tumble' but if it's anything like the Grey one the system is no longer credible.

For me, the two incidents were mirror images. Minimal, if any contact, on a player with only one objective, at the crucial stage of the match. It worries me how referees like Madley and Moss view those types of incidents, occurring at the time they do, against a team currently enjoying the highest profile of any team in the Premiership. Do they view it objectively or do they view it as an opportunity to propel themselves into the limelight? Certainly a defeat at Palace on Sunday, acquired in that manner would have ensured Moss a level of attention he has never achieved before or is likely to again. It was particularly baffling as he'd denied Zaha free kicks for 5 or 6 previous dives where, if anything, there had been more contact. Maybe if he'd booked him for one of those he'd have been more inclined to stay upright.

 

[jamiecav]

Ive been thinking about the puncheon thing. And its a difficult one this.

The challenge was so late that we were well up the field. He played advantage.

Now from my days as a ref, i think the law is that if its a red you have to stop game immediately. IE no advantage.

So given how far up we were, it would be difficult to decide to stop for the red as there was every likely hood we could have scored from that. Having played on he couldnt then send him off as its against the laws.

Maybe im giving him too much credit

 

[aguero93:20]

Ive been thinking about the puncheon thing. And its a difficult one this.

The challenge was so late that we were well up the field. He played advantage.

Now from my days as a ref, i think the law is that if its a red you have to stop game immediately. IE no advantage.

So given how far up we were, it would be difficult to decide to stop for the red as there was every likely hood we could have scored from that. Having played on he couldnt then send him off as its against the laws.

Maybe im giving him too much credit

There's no law that says you can't issue a red card after playing advantage.

 

[jamiecav]

There's no law that says you can't issue a red card after playing advantage.

You are right, ive just looked. If puncheon had got up and legged it after us then hed have to stop it it to send him off (as soon as he became involved)

As we were, moss is a (insert insult here)

 

[BigOscar]

There's no law that says you can't issue a red card after playing advantage.

There was a fantastic one a couple of years ago in Portugal where a defender scythed someone down, the ref played advantage and he went and scythed the next guy down as well and the ref gave him two separate yellows and sent him off. It was a thing of beauty.

 

[aguero93:20]

There was a fantastic one a couple of years ago in Portugal where a defender scythed someone down, the ref played advantage and he went and scythed the next guy down as well and the ref gave him two separate yellows and sent him off. It was a thing of beauty.

Think there was a gif on here of that.

 

[crazyg]

I think the on-field red has to ask for advice as well! There is no need for it to be like that though, just have the VAR telling him things he’s missed.

Was that a Freudian slip?

;-)

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Was that a Freudian slip?

;-)

A massive one!!

 

[crazyg]

A massive one!!

Very good!

 

[blueparsman]

Why are mcfc players not getting protection from referees. In the last few games there have been disgraceful career ending tackles on city players. Something needs to be done. The FA need to do something about this. Why are you sitting on your hands ignoring them. It stinks of corruption by a dinosaur committee. I have sent a few emails and never had a reply. Why do you keep putting ur head in the sand and ignore supporters. Sent this to fa reply to follow

 

[blueparsman]

Hi

Thank you for contacting The Football Association.

Whilst understanding any frustrations as a football fan, every supporter will have an opinion on the game's major talking points and we're always interested to hear them. The Football Association receives frequent correspondence on individual refereeing decisions across all levels of football as well as on the performance of referees in general. It is important to understand that without a referee there is no game and as a result the long-term health of football relies on recruiting, retaining and developing referees. Whilst 100% consistency is impossible when human judgment is introduced into a situation, referees get the overwhelmingly majority of decisions right. In fact they are arguably the most consistent people in the game making split-second decisions that will be analysed repeatedly by slow motion cameras and panels of football experts.

There is a system in place for monitoring the performance of referees and referee's assistants. This involves referees assessors and reports from club managers. All assessors come from a footballing background and the majority are fully qualified referees themselves. The performances of referees over a season are then taken into consideration when the leagues appoint their referees for the following season.

Premier League refereeing enquiries should be addressed to Mike Riley, The Premier League, 30 Gloucester Place, London W1U 8PLor via info@premierleague.com. The Select Group officiates in the Premier League and is the responsibility of Mike Riley, General Manager of the Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL).

We do appreciate all of the feedback we receive from supporters. This feedback is collated and used to build a picture of public opinion and is subsequently fed back internally within the organisation. Please rest assured your comments will form part of this feedback process.

Kind regards,

Alex Burkwood | Customer Response Officer
Customer Relations
The FA Group
Wembley Stadium, Wembley, London, HA9 0WS

 

[Neville Kneville]

There's no way Danny Murphy should be on that list after bringing the game into disrepute. You can't say go and leave one on him (or words to that effect) and be an adjudicator on a panel like this.

People like Murphy, will not only be shit at the job, but will automatically err on the side of their favoured club(s) more times than for clubs they have no attachment to.

There is no way on earth City will benefit, compared to our competitors, from any retrospective viewing, either during or after a game. By comparison, we will lose out, more times than we win & that has already been proven by our record so far on deserved retrospective action, compared to the rags etc.

There are just too many people in football, with connections to, or 'a soft spot for ' or intimidated by, the 'tradiotonal' Prem top clubs.

I bet 70% of them, including ex refs, wouldn't give that foul by Harry Kane as a red, when put on the spot, because it's Harry Kane.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Hi

Thank you for contacting The Football Association.

Whilst understanding any frustrations as a football fan, every supporter will have an opinion on the game's major talking points and we're always interested to hear them. The Football Association receives frequent correspondence on individual refereeing decisions across all levels of football as well as on the performance of referees in general. It is important to understand that without a referee there is no game and as a result the long-term health of football relies on recruiting, retaining and developing referees. Whilst 100% consistency is impossible when human judgment is introduced into a situation, referees get the overwhelmingly majority of decisions right. In fact they are arguably the most consistent people in the game making split-second decisions that will be analysed repeatedly by slow motion cameras and panels of football experts.

There is a system in place for monitoring the performance of referees and referee's assistants. This involves referees assessors and reports from club managers. All assessors come from a footballing background and the majority are fully qualified referees themselves. The performances of referees over a season are then taken into consideration when the leagues appoint their referees for the following season.

Premier League refereeing enquiries should be addressed to Mike Riley, The Premier League, 30 Gloucester Place, London W1U 8PLor via info@premierleague.com. The Select Group officiates in the Premier League and is the responsibility of Mike Riley, General Manager of the Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL).

We do appreciate all of the feedback we receive from supporters. This feedback is collated and used to build a picture of public opinion and is subsequently fed back internally within the organisation. Please rest assured your comments will form part of this feedback process.

Kind regards,

Alex Burkwood | Customer Response Officer
Customer Relations
The FA Group
Wembley Stadium, Wembley, London, HA9 0WS

Which translates as: "Meh".

 

[Chi-town blues]

Ive been thinking about the puncheon thing. And its a difficult one this.

The challenge was so late that we were well up the field. He played advantage.

Now from my days as a ref, i think the law is that if its a red you have to stop game immediately. IE no advantage.

So given how far up we were, it would be difficult to decide to stop for the red as there was every likely hood we could have scored from that. Having played on he couldnt then send him off as its against the laws.

Maybe im giving him too much credit

Does the law say you can’t give red after the advantage is played on ?

 

[kaz7]

moss should be grovelling at peps door for making gabby get up,he didn't give a fuck,grovel you fat ****

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

I think all City fans feel the gravest concern not only at the handling of the injury to Gabriel, Dann's foul on De Bruyne and Dann's consequent injury and Puncheon's foul on De Bruyne in the counter-attack which followed in our game on Sunday but also at the mishandling of Kane's foul on Sterling and Delle Ali's on De Bruyne, both in the match with Tottenham. Our manager also expressed his view that Kane also deserved protection from the referee when Otamendi kicked Kane in the face. What is even more staggering is that these offences were deemed only to deserve the same sanction as Sane' and Aguero's petulant and frustrated kicking the ball away at a free kick. It is a curious set of sporting values that sees any equivalence between a foul which can end an opponent's career and a fit of pique. I would also add that referees appear to see celebrating a goal (in the case of Sterling at Bournmouth) and accidentally bumping into an opponent (in the case of Walker against Everton) as so bad that they deserve a second yellow and thus worthy of a sending off. Scott Dann's attempt to hack down De Bruyne before he could get in the penalty area and thus become unhackable was not even deemed worthy of a yellow card and the physio was given immediate permission to treat him for his (self-inflicted) injury, in contrast to Jesus.

Mr Burkwood's letter does not even begin to address these concerns. He appears to suggest that any criticism of referees is not in the interest of the game because it will dissuade people from becoming referees! Nor is it satisfactory to say that referees will be monitored over the course of the season before they are reappointed. It almost appears that they are allowed a quota of leg-breakers and other career threatening tackles before their competence is questioned. We, as fans, accept the job of a referee is difficult and impossible at times, but this cannot mean that we have to put up with the nasty, vicious physical assaults we have seen over the last few games. We don't care if the perpetrators aren't "that kind of player" and we note that intention has been removed as a factor to be considered because effect is a more important consideration than motive. The only stance the FA can possibly take is that referees are only human and they need help in seeing and dealing with what happens on the pitch and, consequently, their decisions must be open to review. This would not be an sign of weakness but an act of strength.