Referees will decide the title and relegation this season

[es1]

I'd done my basic referees course a couple months before and watching it back felt that Chamakh kicked the ball towards Hart in a way that Boyata didn't influence because he hadn't made contact yet and to me Chamakh panicked and lost the ball before Boyata made contact.

To me you have to ask if they'd both stayed on their feet would Chamakh have had a clear goalscoring opportunity, and to me he wouldn't, for one Boyata was still closing him down and he wasn't even in the box when the incident took place.

I'm a ref, i said it at the time i'd send him off and i stand by that

i think its a clear goalscoring opportunity and therefore a red...but herein lies the probelm with refs! say we were 2 prem refs, had two similar incidents we could both handle them completely differently based on our own judgement!

The only reason I'd send him off is if I was at an angle that I couldn't see Chamakh's touch before the tackle.

Even then, I'd get it rescinded and hold my hands up and admit that in my mind I'd made a mistake.

I don't see how Chamakh can have a shot if he's kicked the ball to Hart before the tackle, you can argue Boyata influenced him but Chamakh could have kicked it straight on and gone down and I'd have been more inclined to give it.

i can see you're reasoning, but in my mind boyata prevents a clear goal scoring opportunity, had the challenge not been made chamakh would have been clean through as he was goal side of boyata (i'm going off memory here)

 

[Dirty Harry]

Cheers Richard, I know YOU said you would have sent Skrtel off but was more hoping you may be able to shed some light as to the reasons why Mike Jokes (sorry couldn't resist) failed to take any action card-wise, what could he possibly have seen there which would make him think an award of a penalty is sufficient but no more than that, I know you don't see through his eyes but was just after your opinion mate.

i said this at the time, a card has to be issued for the challenge, whatever colour was down to the refs judgement but a card had to be shown, words fail me as to why none was given - completely baffled by it![/quote]


Me too mate, it's incidents like last night which make it easier for people to question refs integrity and honesty, I consider myself quite open-minded and can often look and see why certain decisions may have been made ( ie can see JMW point quite easily) but last night I can't even see the slightest reason.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

I'm a ref, i said it at the time i'd send him off and i stand by that

i think its a clear goalscoring opportunity and therefore a red...but herein lies the probelm with refs! say we were 2 prem refs, had two similar incidents we could both handle them completely differently based on our own judgement!

The only reason I'd send him off is if I was at an angle that I couldn't see Chamakh's touch before the tackle.

Even then, I'd get it rescinded and hold my hands up and admit that in my mind I'd made a mistake.

I don't see how Chamakh can have a shot if he's kicked the ball to Hart before the tackle, you can argue Boyata influenced him but Chamakh could have kicked it straight on and gone down and I'd have been more inclined to give it.

i can see you're reasoning, but in my mind boyata prevents a clear goal scoring opportunity, had the challenge not been made chamakh would have been clean through as he was goal side of boyata (i'm going off memory here)

it's easier to give than not, but Boyata was closing him anyway and if Chamakh was never making the ball he kicked in Hart's direction.

But anyway, he was sent off so there we go, we can debate a whole range of decisions all night but it just shows that no matter what laws are there it still comes down to opinion and interpretation.

 

[Bill]

the op is spot on.

they will win and lose titles and relegate teams with their blatent cheating and embarrassingly poor refereeing.

spend what you like, play as well as you can, you get a bent or shit ref its over.

 

[mat]

the op is spot on.

they will win and lose titles and relegate teams with their blatent cheating and embarrassingly poor refereeing.

spend what you like, play as well as you can, you get a bent or shit ref its over.

We'll have one on Sunday. The Powers that be won't let the shite lose 3 on the trot with a tonking.