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BrianW said:
Games Workshop contributes more to GDP than the entire British fishing industry.

We might as well worry about the state of the traction engine construction industry. I can't understand the romantic obsession with fishing. Like moaning about the fact that the tea clippers aren't around anymore.
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Not really. People still buy fish. If that's true, it should be a huge opportunity.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Not really. People still buy fish. If that's true, it should be a huge opportunity.
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It should be but it’s only a very small percentage of GDP I think we still have mutual waters with Ireland and other countries have to apply for a license but fishermen are only allowed a quota otherwise the fish stocks dwindle
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Tried using the laws of the time but sentenced under the same government. This has been discussed at length so no need to reopen but suffice to say there are different opinions on the reasons for the sentencing differences between different crimes.
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Why wouldn't there be sentencing differences between different crimes? Surely it's only an issue if there are sentencing differences for the same crimes?

As a point of comparison, the person who threw an egg at John Prescott wasn't charged at all.
In 2004, two men threw purple powder at Tony Blair (the actual Prime Minister) in parliament. They were fined £500 and £600 for 'disorderly behaviour.'
In 2009, Lord Mandelson had green custard thrown at him. The offender was cautioned.
In 2010, David Cameron had an egg thrown at him. The offender was detained but released without charge.
In 2013, eggs were thrown at Ed Miliband. I can't find any evidence that the offender was charged.
In 2014, Nigel Farage was hit with an egg. The man ended up having to pay £200 costs and given a 12 month conditional discharge.
In 2019, Corbyn was egged. The man received 28 days in jail.
In 2023, Keir Starmer was glitter bombed. The offender was arrested, but I can't find any evidence of him being charged.
In 2024, Nigel Farage was milkshaked. The offender was given 13 weeks in prison, suspended for a year.

So looking at that, the Farage attacker received the second harshest punishment of any politician attacked in this way, and yet he's not satisfied they 'escaped jail,' when clearly jail is not the norm for this kind of offence.

The Corbyn one seems harsh, but reports suggest that it was a more aggressive and intimidating attack than the usual in these kinds of situations. If you watch the video, he doesn't just throw an egg, he hits him on the back of the head with it, so perhaps that's why he got a harsher punishment. It's hard to see how 'aggressive' he is from the crappy CCTV footage though.
 
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Kirkstall Blue said:
It should be but it’s only a very small percentage of GDP I think we still have mutual waters with Ireland and other countries have to apply for a license but fishermen are only allowed a quota otherwise the fish stocks dwindle
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Absolutely, but you'd think that 'taking our waters back' would be an opportunity to build a successful fishing industry by taking over some of the quotas that were previously given to other EU vessels (which of course assumes that our boats weren't also fishing in French/Spanish/Irish/Danish waters - you only ever hear one side of the story in this country).
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Why wouldn't there be sentencing differences between different crimes? Surely it's only an issue if there are sentencing differences for the same crimes?

As a point of comparison, the person who threw an egg at John Prescott wasn't charged at all.
In 2004, two men threw purple powder at Tony Blair (the actual Prime Minister) in parliament. They were fined £500 and £600 for 'disorderly behaviour.'
In 2009, Lord Mandelson had green custard thrown at him. The offender was cautioned.
In 2010, David Cameron had an egg thrown at him. The offender was detained but released without charge.
In 2013, eggs were thrown at Ed Miliband. I can't find any evidence that the offender was charged.
In 2014, Nigel Farage was hit with an egg. The man ended up having to pay £200 costs and given a 12 month conditional discharge.
In 2019, Corbyn was egged. The man received 28 days in jail.
In 2023, Keir Starmer was glitter bombed. The offender was arrested, but I can't find any evidence of him being charged.
In 2024, Nigel Farage was milkshaked. The offender was given 13 weeks in prison, suspended for a year.

So looking at that, the Farage attacker received the second harshest punishment of any politician attacked in this way, and yet he's not satisfied they 'escaped jail,' when clearly jail is not the norm for this kind of offence.

The Corbyn one seems harsh, but reports suggest that it was a more aggressive and intimidating attack than the usual in these kinds of situations. If you watch the video, he doesn't just throw an egg, he hits him on the back of the head with it, so perhaps that's why he got a harsher punishment. It's hard to see how 'aggressive' he is from the crappy CCTV footage though.
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Good post, thanks for replying. First off I didnt particularly think the lady who milkshaked Farage should have necessarily gone to jail. You're research has demonstrated that the sentence is in line with other similar Politician assaults. With the Corbyn one being a bit of an outlier. I will say that I do feel that the punishment for assaulting MPs should probably be a tad harsher after the dreadful attacks on Cox and Aimes.

The point I was trying to make was that the Farage assault and all the other ones you list are to my mind are worse than some of the punishments dealt out after the summers riots where people didn't actually do anything physical whatsoever and the evidence linking them to possible incited crimes was non existent. In particular some received harsher sentences than others who have actually commited much more voliolent offences, including serious assault in recent times, but which were unconnected to the right wing riots this summer.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Good post, thanks for replying. First off I didnt particularly think the lady who milkshaked Farage should have necessarily gone to jail. You're research has demonstrated that the sentence is in line with other similar Politician assaults. With the Corbyn one being a bit of an outlier. I will say that I do feel that the punishment for assaulting MPs should probably be a tad harsher after the dreadful attacks on Cox and Aimes.
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I'm not sure I agree. I kind of like the fact that we have this little unofficial way of protesting and showing your displeasure that is a bit inconvenient and embarrassing rather than actually dangerous. Obviously people shouldn't really do it, but let's be honest, calling it assault is a bit of a stretch. I mean yes, technically it might be, but nobody throwing an egg is intending to harm the politician, which is why they chose an egg instead of a brick. Otherwise half of the kids on the local estate would be guilty of assault every halloween.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Good post, thanks for replying. First off I didnt particularly think the lady who milkshaked Farage should have necessarily gone to jail. You're research has demonstrated that the sentence is in line with other similar Politician assaults. With the Corbyn one being a bit of an outlier. I will say that I do feel that the punishment for assaulting MPs should probably be a tad harsher after the dreadful attacks on Cox and Aimes.

The point I was trying to make was that the Farage assault and all the other ones you list are to my mind are worse than some of the punishments dealt out after the summers riots where people didn't actually do anything physical whatsoever and the evidence linking them to possible incited crimes was non existent. In particular some received harsher sentences than others who have actually commited much more voliolent offences, including serious assault in recent times, but which were unconnected to the right wing riots this summer.
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You mean the cunts on social media giving away locations of hotels and mosques and telling their followers to burn them down ?
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Good post, thanks for replying. First off I didnt particularly think the lady who milkshaked Farage should have necessarily gone to jail. You're research has demonstrated that the sentence is in line with other similar Politician assaults. With the Corbyn one being a bit of an outlier. I will say that I do feel that the punishment for assaulting MPs should probably be a tad harsher after the dreadful attacks on Cox and Aimes.

The point I was trying to make was that the Farage assault and all the other ones you list are to my mind are worse than some of the punishments dealt out after the summers riots where people didn't actually do anything physical whatsoever and the evidence linking them to possible incited crimes was non existent. In particular some received harsher sentences than others who have actually commited much more voliolent offences, including serious assault in recent times, but which were unconnected to the right wing riots this summer.
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I'm guessing you've never been to court?
 
I'm With Stupid said:
I'm not sure I agree. I kind of like the fact that we have this little unofficial way of protesting and showing your displeasure that is a bit inconvenient and embarrassing rather than actually dangerous. Obviously people shouldn't really do it, but let's be honest, calling it assault is a bit of a stretch. I mean yes, technically it might be, but nobody throwing an egg is intending to harm the politician, which is why they chose an egg instead of a brick. Otherwise half of the kids on the local estate would be guilty of assault every halloween.
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True, but it was reported that someone got jailed for shouting at a police dog this summer? Was that assault?
 
mosssideblue said:
Come on, do you really believe that was the offence that got them jailed?
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Morning Mossi, Tbh It wasn't only that, he was using threatening behaviour and racial slurs towards left wing protesters.

The point is why was shouting at a dog even brought into the equation? it just makes the charges look a bit manufactured to me?

You can find threatening behaviour every Friday night at closing time in every City in the UK. Do these people get jailed for 20 mths?

So that leaves the unspecified racial slurs. In no way am I condoning them, it is a hate crime to engage in racial hatred, my point is does his above actions actually warrant 20mths in jail?

Now compare the above sentence with the behaviour of the two individuals below, who both engaged in actually physical assaults, one of which was racially motivated. These people received sentences of 4mths for assault and 3mths for racial assault.

Do you not think there is significant disparity in the sentencing in these three cases?

www.stokesentinel.co.uk

Wife tries to jump from upstairs window to escape violent bully

Razark Mohammed, 30, has now been jailed
www.stokesentinel.co.uk www.stokesentinel.co.uk

 
meltonblue said:
He pleaded guilty for violent disorder and had previous convictions, he did a lot more than just shout at a dog.
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and the dog shouting involved getting down to eye level and barking/shouting at it in a provocative manner.

My guess is that it has been latched on to because it was mentioned in the trial - some reports mentioned the racial aspects of the charges in their headlines, some (hello, Telegraph) didn't.

It's quite bizarre that he got arrested, then fairly quickly de-arrested, and went straight back to the front of the mob and got arrested agan.

Interestingly, the judge said that the standard sentence length for the charge was higher than he got as he was given some credit (character references, etc).

www.bristolpost.co.uk

Man released by police went back to join far-right mob in Castle Park

Bradley McCarthy was arrested for shouting vile racist abuse at counter-protesters, de-arrested and then rejoined the mob confronting police
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Churchlawtonblue said:
Morning Mossi, Tbh It wasn't only that, he was using threatening behaviour and racial slurs towards left wing protesters.

The point is why was shouting at a dog even brought into the equation? it just makes the charges look a bit manufactured to me?

You can find threatening behaviour every Friday night at closing time in every City in the UK. Do these people get jailed for 20 mths?

So that leaves the unspecified racial slurs. In no way am I condoning them, it is a hate crime to engage in racial hatred, my point is does his above actions actually warrant 20mths in jail?

Now compare the above sentence with the behaviour of the two individuals below, who both engaged in actually physical assaults, one of which was racially motivated. These people received sentences of 4mths for assault and 3mths for racial assault.

Do you not think there is significant disparity in the sentencing in these three cases?

www.stokesentinel.co.uk

Wife tries to jump from upstairs window to escape violent bully

Razark Mohammed, 30, has now been jailed
www.stokesentinel.co.uk www.stokesentinel.co.uk

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Your post then was to stir the pot as you clearly implied that he was jailed for shouting at a Police dog knowing there were more serious charges.
 
mosssideblue said:
Your post then was to stir the pot as you clearly implied that he was jailed for shouting at a Police dog knowing there were more serious charges.
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No, I just repeated the rather bizarre lead news headline at the time in many media outlets, including the BBC .

www.bbc.co.uk

UK riots: Man jailed for shouting at police dog and racist slurs

Several men who participated in a riot in Rotherham outside a hotel were also given lengthy prison sentences.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Do you want to reply to the sentencing discrepancies I pointed out, when the more serious charges are taken into consideration?

Ps It's not stirring the pot, I think of it as a debate and discussion which is something I quite enjoy on here. Isn't that why we all post on here?
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
No, I just repeated the rather bizarre lead news headline at the time in many media outlets, including the BBC .

www.bbc.co.uk

UK riots: Man jailed for shouting at police dog and racist slurs

Several men who participated in a riot in Rotherham outside a hotel were also given lengthy prison sentences.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Do you want to reply to the sentencing discrepancies I pointed out, when the more serious charges are taken into consideration?

Ps It's not stirring the pot, I think of it as a debate and discussion which is something I quite enjoy on here. Isn't that why we all post on here?
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Not bothered about the discrepancies, out of my control. You could have but chose not to indicate other more serious charges. Sorry, but in my eyes that is stirring the pot
 
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