It also doesn’t mean they should be silenced which if posters on here where honest, is what they want.
The vagaries of our electoral system aside, they are the 3rd biggest party by vote share.
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It also doesn’t mean they should be silenced which if posters on here where honest, is what they want.
The vagaries of our electoral system aside, they are the 3rd biggest party by vote share.
meltonblue
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It also doesn’t mean they should be silenced which if posters on here where honest, is what they want.
The vagaries of our electoral system aside, they are the 3rd biggest party by vote share.
Yes I agree. I was saying that from the perspective of lack of representation for the Lib Dem’s rather than wanting to silence reform.
Personally I’d platform Reform as much as possible.
gordondaviesmoustache
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When will people get this into their heads? The numbers are driven by necessity. Stop, or significantly reduce immigration and old people will die and the NHS will grind to a halt. It’s simple maths.No one will bring the numbers down. Especially Reform.
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When will people get this into their heads? The numbers are driven by necessity. Stop, or significantly reduce immigration and old people will die and the NHS will grind to a halt. It’s simple maths.
The irony being it’s the type of immigration that they seem to have an issue with now, given who was one of the main proponents for reducing it from neighbouring countries…
When will people get this into their heads? The numbers are driven by necessity. Stop, or significantly reduce immigration and old people will die and the NHS will grind to a halt. It’s simple maths.
I don’t get this “necessity” given the strain we Humans already put on the planet and how our services can’t cope now, never mind with the 77million forecast by 2099.
Where does the necessity end?
Who exactly is it necessary for?
bluethrunthru
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When will people get this into their heads? The numbers are driven by necessity. Stop, or significantly reduce immigration and old people will die and the NHS will grind to a halt. It’s simple maths.
Thats the weird thing people who complain about the WFA decision and claim it will kill pensioners then also want immigration stopped are really saying
"I don't want grannies to freeze to death but its fine if they as well as babies, cancer patients etc etc die because there is nobody to treat them at the hospital"
gordondaviesmoustache
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Yes, that plus the fact that it the elderly, who (in very crude terms) tend to be the most anti-immigration, who most benefit from this approach.The irony being it’s the type of immigration that they seem to have an issue with now, given who was one of the main proponents for reducing it from neighbouring countries…
gordondaviesmoustache
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Because without it there won’t be nearly enough doctors, nurses and carers for the elderly.I don’t get this “necessity” given the strain we Humans already put on the planet and how our services can’t cope now, never mind with the 77million forecast by 2099.
Where does the necessity end?
Who exactly is it necessary for?
I suppose if we take a Logan’s Run approach to society then it won’t be necessary any more. It may actually have to come to something like that eventually; not here hopefully, but elsewhere. I’m struggling to see how countries like China and Russia are going to be able to cope with the demographic tsunami that’s coming their way.
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Tommy Robinson probably.Awkward news for Farage emerging as Musk tweets they need a new leader as he “doesn’t have what it takes” lol
Code for if you want my money, I want my man (whoever that is?) in charge.
Tommy Robinson definitely
Marklr
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He'll want Tommy Robinson, as his record is just as good as Trumps.Tommy Robinson probably.
Imprisonment for criminal offences
Robinson's criminal record includes convictions for violence, financial, and immigration frauds, cocaine possession with intent to supply, and public order offences.[133][134][135] He had previously served at least three separate custodial sentences: in 2005 for assault, in 2012 for using false travel documents, and in 2014 for mortgage fraud.[13][136][137]Assault
In April 2005 at Luton Crown Court, Robinson was convicted of assault occasioning actual bodily harm and assault with intent to resist arrest against an off-duty police officer in July 2004. The officer had intervened in an argument in the street between Robinson and his then girlfriend, Jenna Vowles. In the struggle that followed, Robinson kicked the officer in the head as he lay on the ground. Robinson received sentences of 12 months and 3 months, which were served concurrently.[138]In September 2011, at Preston Magistrates' Court, Robinson was convicted of assault for headbutting a man in Blackburn on 2 April 2011.[139][33] In November 2011, he was given a 12-week jail term, suspended for 12 months.[140]
Public order offence
In July 2011, at Luton and South Bedfordshire Magistrates' Court, Robinson was convicted of using threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour, for leading a group of Luton Town F.C. supporters into a brawl involving 100 people in Luton on 24 August 2010. He was sentenced to a 12-month community rehabilitation order, 150 hours of unpaid work and given a three-year football banning order.[27][141]Use of false passport
In October 2012, Robinson was arrested and held on the charge of having entered the United States illegally. He had used a passport in the name of Andrew McMaster to board a Virgin Atlantic flight from London Heathrow to New York City.[13] He had been banned from entering the US due to his criminal record. Upon arriving at John F. Kennedy International Airport, US Customs and Border Protection officials took his fingerprints, and discovered he was not McMaster. After being asked to attend a second interview, he left the airport, entering the US illegally in the process. He stayed one night and returned to the UK the following day using his own passport.Robinson pleaded guilty at Southwark Crown Court after using a passport that did not belong to him to travel to the United States in September 2012. He was subsequently sentenced in January 2013 to 10 months' imprisonment.[13][142][143] Judge Alistair McCreath told him: "What you did went absolutely to the heart of the immigration controls that the United States are entitled to have. It's not in any sense trivial."[13] He was released on an electronic tag on 22 February 2013.[144]
Irish passport
Via his mother, an Irish immigrant to Britain, Robinson reportedly qualifies for an Irish passport as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. In August 2024, three Irish TDs asked their government to investigate the validity of his Irish passport after it emerged he had given his place of birth as "Ireland".[145]Mortgage fraud
In November 2012, Robinson was charged with three counts of conspiracy to commit fraud by misrepresentation in relation to a mortgage application, along with five other defendants.[146] He pleaded guilty to two charges and in January 2014 was sentenced to 18 months imprisonment.[147][143]Robinson's fraud amounted to £160,000 over a period of six months. Judge Andrew Bright described him as the "instigator, if not the architect" of a series of frauds totalling £640,000. "This was an operation which was fraudulent from the outset and involved a significant amount of forward planning." He described Robinson as a "fixer" who had introduced others to fraudulent mortgage broker Deborah Rothschild. Rothschild had assisted some defendants by providing fake pay slips and income details.[136]
Robinson was attacked by several fellow prisoners in HM Prison Woodhill.[148][149] Following news of the attack, Maajid Nawaz wrote to the Secretary of State for Justice, Chris Grayling, asking for Robinson's situation to be urgently addressed.[149][150] Shortly after this incident, Robinson was moved to HM Prison Winchester. Robinson told Jamie Bartlett, a director of the think tank Demos: "In Woodhill, I experienced Islam the gang. [...] In Winchester, I have experienced Islam the religion." Robinson made friends with several Muslim prisoners, referring to them as "great lads [...] I cannot speak highly enough of the Muslim inmates I'm now living with".[151] In June 2014, Robinson was released on licence. The terms of his early release included having no contact with the EDL until the end of his original sentence in June 2015.[151] He was due to talk to the Oxford Union in October 2014, but was recalled to prison before the event for breaching the terms of his licence.[152] He was ultimately released on 14 November 2014.[153]
Imprisonment for contempt of court
On 10 May 2017, Robinson was charged with contempt of court, and convicted.[133][134][135] He had filmed inside Canterbury Crown Court and posted prejudicial statements calling the defendants "Muslim child rapists" while the jury was deliberating. Judge Heather Norton said Robinson used "pejorative language in his broadcast which prejudged the outcome of the case and could have had the effect of substantially derailing the trial."[154] She added, "this is not about free speech, not about the freedom of the press, nor about legitimate journalism, and not about political correctness. It is about justice and ensuring that a trial can be carried out justly and fairly, it's about being innocent until proven guilty. It is about preserving the integrity of the jury to continue without people being intimidated or being affected by irresponsible and inaccurate 'reporting', if that's what it was."[155]The court later wrongly stated that Robinson had been sentenced to three months' imprisonment, suspended for 18 months and entered that incorrect result in the court records. In law, he had been committed to prison for a period of three months but suspended that committal for eighteen months. That technical error, the distinction between committed to prison and sentenced to imprisonment was identified and corrected by the Court of Appeal.[156] The incorrect result was reported in the press.[154][157]
The ramifications of this technical error came into effect in 2018 when the suspended prison sentence was activated. Robinson was again found to be in contempt of court at Leeds, again wrongly given a sentence of imprisonment and the Canterbury suspended sentence activated.[156] Both sentences were for the offence of contempt of court, which can include speeches or publications that create a "substantial risk that the course of justice in the proceedings in question will be seriously impeded or prejudiced".[155] He was later released following a successful challenge to the court's sentencing procedure.[154] A rehearing was ordered.
2018 imprisonment
Robinson was jailed and later released in mid-2018 for almost collapsing the Huddersfield grooming gang trial.[154][158]On 25 May 2018, Robinson was arrested for a breach of the peace while live streaming outside Leeds Crown Court[155][159] during the trial of the Huddersfield grooming gang on which reporting restrictions had been ordered by the judge.[160] Following Robinson's arrest, Judge Geoffrey Marson QC[161] issued a further reporting restriction on Robinson's case, prohibiting any reporting of Robinson's case or the grooming trial until the latter case was complete.[162][159]
The reporting restriction with regard to Robinson was lifted on 29 May 2018, following a challenge by journalists. The media reported that Robinson had admitted contempt of court by publishing information that could prejudice an ongoing trial, and had been jailed for 13 months.[72] Judge Marson sentenced Robinson to ten months for contempt of court and his previous three months' suspended sentence was activated because of the breach. Robinson's lawyer said that Robinson felt "deep regret" after comprehending the potential consequences of his behaviour.[161] Having breached a temporary section 4 (2) order under the Contempt of Court Act 1981,[163] Robinson was told that if a retrial had to be held as a result of his actions the cost could be "hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pounds". Dominic Casciani, the BBC's home affairs correspondent, said, "This is not some new form of censorship directed at Robinson. These are rules that apply to us all, equally. If he is unsure about that, he's now got time on his hands to read a copy of Essential Law for Journalists."[161][164]
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You do realise we as a country are not coping with the current rate of immigration. Demand is outstripping supply for infrastructure, health care, housing, education. Immigration is undoubtedly a good thing but not at the rate that it is currently happening.When will people get this into their heads? The numbers are driven by necessity. Stop, or significantly reduce immigration and old people will die and the NHS will grind to a halt. It’s simple maths.
If you disagree with this statement , and I am sure you will, please just point out to me which of the four areas where we are doing well in, and which substantiates your desire to have unlimited immigration.
Tommy Robinson probably.
Scary.
Must be a reason or 20 on here that says it can’t happen.
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Large numbers of immigrants that are coming to the uk aren’t coming here as doctors, care workers or NHS staff. A lot of them are coming into low skilled roles, as dependants and students (often for meaningless courses)When will people get this into their heads? The numbers are driven by necessity. Stop, or significantly reduce immigration and old people will die and the NHS will grind to a halt. It’s simple maths.
A lot of it isn’t necessity at all. It’s often cheap labour.
The simple maths is that the number are unsustainable and most people think that.
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Cheap labour that locals can’t be persuaded to do that keeps important things going. Foreign students keep universities going with the large amount they have to pay. There’s two sides to every story.Large numbers of immigrants that are coming to the uk aren’t coming here as doctors, care workers or NHS staff. A lot of them are coming into low skilled roles, as dependants and students (often for meaningless courses)
A lot of it isn’t necessity at all. It’s often cheap labour
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Can’t be persuaded to do? Do you mean below minimum wage jobs, that you could often class a slave labour? Which most people couldn’t do if they wanted to. Why are you ok with that?Cheap labour that locals can’t be persuaded to do that keeps important things going. Foreign students keep universities going with the large amount they have to pay. There’s two sides to every story.
Or do you mean the countless takeaway shops, dodgy side businesss and other important things that keep a town going? A lot of these jobs aren’t essential at all.
Lots of dependants that come into the country don’t have jobs lined up either.
A lot of these universities are failing as it is and a lot of these courses are meaningless. We now have universities that only care about making money. Why would you celebrate that?
There has to be some kind of limit on numbers. Nearly a million each year is ridiculous.
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hilts
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No they ain't that's a nonsense argument. Should labour for instance get far more coverage just because the system is useless and gives out stupid majorities without having the backing of the public?That doesn’t mean they should get more coverage than a party that has 72 members of parliament though. For the electorate, they are far more important.
Bluemoon - where too many prefer confirmation of their bias and all their tall tales involve speaking to loads of real people(honestly) who agree with them.
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They won't accept that, everyone who comes here is skilled and an absolute necessity for the country in their minds. And if you disagree with that your classed as extreme right wing.Large numbers of immigrants that are coming to the uk aren’t coming here as doctors, care workers or NHS staff. A lot of them are coming into low skilled roles, as dependants and students (often for meaningless courses)
A lot of it isn’t necessity at all. It’s often cheap labour.
The simple maths is that the number are unsustainable and most people think that.
hilts
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Thats the weird thing people who complain about the WFA decision and claim it will kill pensioners then also want immigration stopped are really saying
"I don't want grannies to freeze to death but its fine if they as well as babies, cancer patients etc etc die because there is nobody to treat them at the hospital"
Want immigration stopped? As I'm only a few days into my new years resolution I will allow you to ponder that comment and maybe reply in a more truthful way.