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Damocles said:
Yeah even as I was making the point I thought it was a stupid one, but I was trying to say something about how it's strange how people divide their anger but I didn't think it out. Sorry about that, there's a point in there but it's half baked.

Anyway, in terms of Farage and fanning the flames - obviously Farage's entire rhetoric didn't help a d his contribution level is above zero. But people were rioting because those kids died needlessly and they thought the Police and Government's handling of things is bullshit. I'm not sure what percentage thought he was an illegal immigrant or asylum seeker but I imagine that it's close to 99%.

With that said, and another possible half baked one coming at you here, it's possible that the Southport riots were a net positive. Rioting is a terrible thing but often an effective thing. Just like the BLM riots served to show the media and the wider population the level of anger and resentment in the community, these anti-immigration riots have put the issue right at the top of the Government's agenda again. Combined with the boat crossings and the various asylum seeker hotel stories then the heat is getting turned up.

Farage didn't help but to put this at his door rather than decades of snobbery, ignorance and gaslighting isn't really fair
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No worries and no need to apologise.

Yeah, I'm not putting it all on Farage and I appreciate there's a lot of anger out there. Millions of people can't be ignored and it's best to engage with them rather than ignore them. The issue I have is that in the world of social media and the internet, it seems so much easier to successfully spread lies and misinformation which in turn muddies the waters. I don't like Farage as you've probably gathered but I do expect better standards of him being a sitting MP than I do of Tommy Robinson or Joe Bloggs from down the pub.
 
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hilts said:
A) I didn't imply that, I said one poster in particular had an obsession with all things twitter farage etc and are spreading their words on their behalf. I never once implied or said they shouldn't be discussed. So sorry you are wrong.

B) You are right no can tell.anyone what to post, I never asked anyone or implied that someone should be stopped. I just posted my own opinion which by your own words I'm entitles to do. There was no obligation on your part to even reply.

C) I never said people shouldn't discuss Farage, I said in my opinion it is way over done including promoting their twitter ramblings every fucking day.

And to clarify to avoid further confusion, in a free country you are entitled to read posts, completely miss the point and reply with nonsense. And I'm entitled to explain that is exactly what you have done.

As you were.
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Good for you
 
M18CTID said:
Yes. Because anyone with half a fucking brain cell can see that it was cunts like Farage who stoked up the riots by spreading misinformation about the perpetrator being an asylum seeker - misinformation that he got off Andrew Fucking Tate ffs. Angela Rayner said fuck-all wrong - all she was saying was that we should wait for the outcome of the investigation because to dive in and publically air thoughts on what may or my not be true could put the case in jeopardy. I can't believe how someone in Farage's position - grifting twat that he is - doesn't understand this. I expect it off Tommy Two Names Robinson but I don't expect it off that frog-faced prick.

What he's written there is nothing short of a fucking disgrace. It's straight up gaslighting and projection because it was HE who was responsible for helping spread the misinformation that led to the riots. I hope his next shit is a fucking hedgehog.
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This deserves a repost if only for the last sentence :)
 
Damocles said:
That is subjective, a possible, and not really provable.

What is provable is that they wouldn't have happened if he didn't knife those kids.

This isn't a fair question and I know this and I'm not trying to be belligerent, but I find it odd that you unleash a torrent of righteous fury against Farage, a democratically elected politician, more than you did when discussing the psycho who knifed a girls ballet class for fun. Why is this? This feels like misplaced rage.
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But the riots weren't misplaced rage?

What's being democratically-elected got to do with it?

I never usually use direct insults. I'm tempted.
 
surely he and Barton will be announced as Reform UK Ltd candidates within weeks - they fit the required profile to a tee

 
bluethrunthru said:
Just in ....... news on that Political Tsunami ......

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So a clear left of centre majority, as always. If only Starver could bring himself to work with the Liberals and Greens, he could keep the door to Reform firmly shut, could see off the Tories for a generation, at least and might even manage to talk about Europe.
Sadly, to nobody’s surprise, he won’t……
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
So a clear left of centre majority, as always. If only Starver could bring himself to work with the Liberals and Greens, he could keep the door to Reform firmly shut, could see off the Tories for a generation, at least and might even manage to talk about Europe.
Sadly, to nobody’s surprise, he won’t……
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A formal agreement would almost certainly be less than the sum of its parts.

The Lib Dems own research suggested that tactical voting at the last election served them so well, that they are better off without a "progressive coalition". The informal situation, where Labour and the Lib Dems didn't actively compete in seats where one had a much better chance, saw then get nearly 500 seats with just 46% of the vote. Reform on the other hand got 5 seats from 14% of the vote.

That's about as closed a door as it's possible to get. Obviously we don't know what will happen at the next election, but right now that left of centre sum is keeping Reform out.
 
bluenova said:
A formal agreement would almost certainly be less than the sum of its parts.

The Lib Dems own research suggested that tactical voting at the last election served them so well, that they are better off without a "progressive coalition". The informal situation, where Labour and the Lib Dems didn't actively compete in seats where one had a much better chance, saw then get nearly 500 seats with just 46% of the vote. Reform on the other hand got 5 seats from 14% of the vote.

That's about as closed a door as it's possible to get. Obviously we don't know what will happen at the next election, but right now that left of centre sum is keeping Reform out.
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I wouldn’t even suggest a formal agreement I’d just go a bit further than what you describe, in so much as, instead of not ‘actively competing’ I’d suggest they didn’t actually stand!
 
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