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symptom of UK Politics - I bet she was interviewed in local media a number of times and no journalist will have raised it with her. There will be loads of these in the coming weeks
Or, a symptom of the UK as a whole. These aren’t football clubs we’re talking about, these are people who have the opportunity to shape peoples lives … or destroy them.
 
I'm still awaiting any reaction or acknowledegment from you regarding the fact that Farage and Tice were instrumental in making the country worse off by £100bn per year. If we weren't that much poorer, much of the mess we are in would be considerably alleviated. It's ironic that the biggest group that voted for Brexit are the ones moaning the most about losing their WFA.
Didn't take you seriously.

When are you going to learn that opinions are just that opinions and not facts.

Here is what you should have said and maybe I'd have taken you more seriously.....

IN MY OPNION Farage and Tice were instrumental in making the country worse off by £100bn per year. If we weren't that much poorer, much of the mess we are in would be considerably alleviated....

My response is: That is your opinion and you're quite free to express it (we're not quite in Keirs suppressed freedom of speech state yet), though in my opinion your opinion carries very little weight in the world of global economics and it I'm sure your not surprised to learn it means even less to me. 80)

Happy now, though I do appreciate that you value MY OPINION enough to chase me for it.
 
Didn't take you seriously.

When are you going to learn that opinions are just that opinions and not facts.

Here is what you should have said and maybe I'd have taken you more seriously.....

IN MY OPNION Farage and Tice were instrumental in making the country worse off by £100bn per year. If we weren't that much poorer, much of the mess we are in would be considerably alleviated....

My response is: That is your opinion and you're quite free to express it (we're not quite in Keirs suppressed freedom of speech state yet), though in my opinion your opinion carries very little weight in the world of global economics and it I'm sure your not surprised to learn it means even less to me. 80)

Happy now, though I do appreciate that you value MY OPINION enough to chase me for it.

Why you vehemently defending Farage and Tice ? You’re not a fan of Reform remember, it was just a protest vote and to give Labour a ‘bloody nose’.
 
Why you vehemently defending Farage and Tice ? You’re not a fan of Reform remember, it was just a protest vote and to give Labour a ‘bloody nose’.
Are you really so unintelligent?

Now sit down and read the post again, digest the content and reconsider your childish (I'm trying to look clever) reply.

HINT: At no point in that post have I defended or attempted to defend Farage and Tice.

Taaraa
 
I’m mo

Im moaning about them not working and just sponging which is a big difference to what my family did . As for orban he puts his country first which isn’t so bad .
Who are you kidding? Orban would think nothing of sacrificing his country and his fellow citizens if Putin demanded he did so to repay a favour. Just as Lukashenko has done.

And what are your views on British people "not working and just sponging"?
 
There you go - she hasn't thought through her idea just knows its political suicide to suggest they would be in Lincolnshire - also coming out of the ECHR means nothing - that will not compel France to take returned migrants and is Le Pen gets in there is no way she'd agree to it - fantasy politics

 
Didn't take you seriously.

When are you going to learn that opinions are just that opinions and not facts.

Here is what you should have said and maybe I'd have taken you more seriously.....

IN MY OPNION Farage and Tice were instrumental in making the country worse off by £100bn per year. If we weren't that much poorer, much of the mess we are in would be considerably alleviated....

My response is: That is your opinion and you're quite free to express it (we're not quite in Keirs suppressed freedom of speech state yet), though in my opinion your opinion carries very little weight in the world of global economics and it I'm sure your not surprised to learn it means even less to me. 80)

Happy now, though I do appreciate that you value MY OPINION enough to chase me for it.
Joe, how about this:

Both Farage and Tice were instrumental in telling the electorate that Brexit would make us all better off. Not my opinion, Fact

All respected economic models show that the UK is around £100b per year worse off. Not my opinion, Fact

You hate politicians lying to the electorate. Fact, you already told us so

You are prepared to put that to one side and vote for Farage and Tice. Fact-you told us so.

With that in mind, what's your view on the country being £100bn per year worse off and what do you think the root cause of that deficit is?
 
It was poorly implemented but it's not a scandal. It is clearly emotive, but when someone phones a radio station to complain she's losing her £300 and then it becomes clear it's only £200 she's getting says volumes about the bluster that was around at the time. My parent-in law were affected as they are only just above the threshold. We did a review of what they were getting and it became clear they may be entitled to a different benefit. Long and short, they lost £200 WFA but are now £108 per week better off-and they can't be the only ones.

State pensions, and any income for that matter, is there for people to be able to live. The fact that any increase is then used to pay for day to day living is exactly what an income is for. As far as the state pension is concerned, if bills rise as you indicate, then that will all contribute to inflation and with the triple lock, and will be liable for an increase in the future.

I will reiterate though that the WFA changes were done in a clumsy way and ideally a year's notice should have been given.

What other benefit ? What about single pensioners who don’t have two incomes or shared bills?
 
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I'm still awaiting any reaction or acknowledegment from you regarding the fact that Farage and Tice were instrumental in making the country worse off by £100bn per year. If we weren't that much poorer, much of the mess we are in would be considerably alleviated. It's ironic that the biggest group that voted for Brexit are the ones moaning the most about losing their WFA.

I didn’t vote for Brexit it was fucking stupid
 
Joe, how about this:

Both Farage and Tice were instrumental in telling the electorate that Brexit would make us all better off. Not my opinion, Fact

All respected economic models show that the UK is around £100b per year worse off. Not my opinion, Fact

You hate politicians lying to the electorate. Fact, you already told us so

You are prepared to put that to one side and vote for Farage and Tice. Fact-you told us so.

With that in mind, what's your view on the country being £100bn per year worse off and what do you think the root cause of that deficit is?
Opinion.

Here's a real actual fact.

A fact is that the Labour party won the last General Election. No opinion - A fact

Labour won the last General Election and then took away the WFA payment. That is another fact. No opinion - A fact

How do you know what state the UK economy would have been in had we remained in the EU. You don't, you can have an opinion about it but you cannot know that for a fact.

Yes I hate politicians that lie... Labour/Conservatives and yes even Reform all of them. Sadly they all do in my opinion.

I cannot be certain but I believe there will be several factors that will be likely to have contributed to and influenced the current state of the UK economy, things like the Covid-19 pandemic, the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the Liz Truss debacle for example to name but three and indeed leaving the EU itself. How would the UK economy be if they hadn't happened, you cannot know. How would the UK economy have fared with the Covid 19 pandemic and the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the Luz Truss debacle had we been in the EU? Again you cannot know but you can have an opinion.
 
Opinion.

Here's a real actual fact.

A fact is that the Labour party won the last General Election. No opinion - A fact

Labour won the last General Election and then took away the WFA payment. That is another fact. No opinion - A fact

How do you know what state the UK economy would have been in had we remained in the EU. You don't, you can have an opinion about it but you cannot know that for a fact.

Yes I hate politicians that lie... Labour/Conservatives and yes even Reform all of them. Sadly they all do in my opinion.

I cannot be certain but I believe there will be several factors that will be likely to have contributed to and influenced the current state of the UK economy, things like the Covid-19 pandemic, the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the Liz Truss debacle for example to name but three and indeed leaving the EU itself. How would the UK economy be if they hadn't happened, you cannot know. How would the UK economy have fared with the Covid 19 pandemic and the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the Luz Truss debacle had we been in the EU? Again you cannot know but you can have an opinion.
Blah blah blah.

Farage is one of Putins useful idiots. He'd make Liz Truss look like an Economic genius. Just like his best mate Trump.

Idiots will vote for him just like Idiots voted for Trump. And Idiots voted for Truss.

We can only hope enough Idiots see the light before the next election.
 
Blah blah blah.

Farage is one of Putins useful idiots. He'd make Liz Truss look like an Economic genius. Just like his best mate Trump.

Idiots will vote for him just like Idiots voted for Trump. And Idiots voted for Truss.

We can only hope enough Idiots see the light before the next election.

BigJoe
‘How do you know he’s an idiot ?? Maybe you’re an idiot ? Ever thought about that.
What he said about Putin was right but so what if it wasn’t ?? At least Farage says it how it is , oh and by the way I don’t like him or Reform ‘’
 
Blah blah blah.

Farage is one of Putins useful idiots. He'd make Liz Truss look like an Economic genius. Just like his best mate Trump.

Idiots will vote for him just like Idiots voted for Trump. And Idiots voted for Truss.

We can only hope enough Idiots see the light before the next election.
I get it... anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot.

Step back and look at the bigger picture...
 

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