Reform 2025 Limited new name same business

BigJoe#1 said:
Not very community minded is she? Possibly why she didn't get re-elected.

Everyone has to start somewhere, sadly, we're not all blessed with an abundance of knowledge from the very start of any job we undertake and many of us have to ask for help, Regardless of what the switch was, be it Independent/Green, Lib/Dem/Reform or even Tory to Labour. or any other combination.
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I'm certain that every job/position I have ever applied for I had an idea of what was expected of me. 2 of the Reform UK councillors from Willington, Co Durham admitted on sky news that they would now have to read the Reform UK manifesto. Again an example of the type of folk attracted to Reform UK
 
There will be some Reform supporters who genuinely think they will do good for the country (I'm really not sure how). But the vast majority of their votes have come from people who don't have a clue, electing people with slightly more of a clue (and in some cases, electing people with no clue at all).

If they continue to rise with the same trajectory that they have (and I can't see that being possible - they've already exhausted their gammon reservoir) then the last 14 years under the Tories will somehow look like the golden age of the UK.
 
ballbag said:
There will be some Reform supporters who genuinely think they will do good for the country (I'm really not sure how). But the vast majority of their votes have come from people who don't have a clue, electing people with slightly more of a clue (and in some cases, electing people with no clue at all).

If they continue to rise with the same trajectory that they have (and I can't see that being possible - they've already exhausted their gammon reservoir) then the last 14 years under the Tories will somehow look like the golden age of the UK.
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Sorry mate, The conservatives had 14 years, Labour have had 10 months and quite frankly the country has been on an accelerating downward spiral for the last twenty years increasing speed year on year and people are genuinely pissed off.

A major reason as to why Reform are getting so many votes is because of how poor the current Labour Government is doing and has done, after all they weren't well supported were they? They certainly should not be in Government with such a large majority having only secured less than 35% of the vote. Reform is seen as something it is not.... an answer to the long term problem. Reform are not that answer.

As I posted previously, Reform will be exposed quite quickly which will mean their electability will be negligible at the next GE.... fuck knows where we go after that because in my mind both the Tories and Labour are not capable of governing this country. I do hope Reform will not have fucked up enough to spoil their chances in Wales next year... we cannot live with another Labour Government here.#

All I can hope for is proportional representation... I genuinely can't see any other obvious alternatives but to suggest people, just because they're pissed off with the fare before them don't have a clue is a bit myopic IMO.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Sorry mate, The conservatives had 14 years, Labour have had 10 months and quite frankly the country has been on an accelerating downward spiral for the last twenty years increasing speed year on year and people are genuinely pissed off.

A major reason as to why Reform are getting so many votes is because of how poor the current Labour Government is doing and has done, after all they weren't well supported were they? They certainly should not be in Government with such a large majority having only secured less than 35% of the vote. Reform is seen as something it is not.... an answer to the long term problem. Reform are not that answer.

As I posted previously, Reform will be exposed quite quickly which will mean their electability will be negligible at the next GE.... fuck knows where we go after that because in my mind both the Tories and Labour are not capable of governing this country. I do hope Reform will not have fucked up enough to spoil their chances in Wales next year... we cannot live with another Labour Government here.#

All I can hope for is proportional representation... I genuinely can't see any other obvious alternatives but to suggest people, just because they're pissed off with the fare before them don't have a clue is a bit myopic IMO.
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Let me rephrase it for you.

While I understand that some people genuinely support Reform UK because they believe it offers a fresh start, I struggle to see how their policies or candidates are meaningfully equipped to deliver long-term improvements for the country.

A large part of their rise seems to stem not from clear solutions, but from public anger and disillusionment—understandable feelings, given the state of politics. However, reacting out of frustration without a solid plan behind it often leads to worse outcomes. We've seen this before, and it's rarely ended well.

If Reform continues to grow without refining its message, developing credible leadership, or offering practical answers to complex issues, there's a real risk that things could deteriorate even further. Ironically, that might make the last 14 years of Conservative rule look more stable by comparison.
 
ballbag said:
Let me rephrase it for you.

While I understand that some people genuinely support Reform UK because they believe it offers a fresh start, I struggle to see how their policies or candidates are meaningfully equipped to deliver long-term improvements for the country.

A large part of their rise seems to stem not from clear solutions, but from public anger and disillusionment—understandable feelings, given the state of politics. However, reacting out of frustration without a solid plan behind it often leads to worse outcomes. We've seen this before, and it's rarely ended well.

If Reform continues to grow without refining its message, developing credible leadership, or offering practical answers to complex issues, there's a real risk that things could deteriorate even further. Ironically, that might make the last 14 years of Conservative rule look more stable by comparison.
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Agree with your last paragraph and let me be clear.... I can be pretty sure that Reform will NOT endear themselves to the voting public over the next couple of years... they are not capable and there will be further national deterioration as the alternative options (Labour and Conservatives) are just not palatable to the vast majority and yes, the last 14 years of Toryism and austerity might seem more stable, especially to those that never actually experienced it.

Like has been said many times, we are in the shit and I don't see any good navigators anywhere on the horizon who will find a route out.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Agree with your last paragraph and let me be clear.... I can be pretty sure that Reform will NOT endear themselves to the voting public over the next couple of years... they are not capable and there will be further national deterioration as the alternative options (Labour and Conservatives) are just not palatable to the vast majority and yes, the last 14 years of Toryism and austerity might seem more stable, especially to those that never actually experienced it.

Like has been said many times, we are in the shit and I don't see any good navigators anywhere on the horizon who will find a route out.
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You seem to be a bit confused with your own view.

You clearly like reform. But accept they are not up to the job. Surely the first qualification for any political party is having capable people.

This all started with Boris. The sensible tories new to avoid populist politics and were all significantly pro EU. Once Boris started feeding the tory base anti EU BS the competent right wing politicians started fading away. Boris has a lot to answer for.
 
Gareth Barry Conlon said:
You seem to be a bit confused with your own view.

You clearly like reform. But accept they are not up to the job. Surely the first qualification for any political party is having capable people.

This all started with Boris. The sensible tories new to avoid populist politics and were all significantly pro EU. Once Boris started feeding the tory base anti EU BS the competent right wing politicians started fading away. Boris has a lot to answer for.
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Not quite correct, but good attempt.

It is fair to say I do not like or trust the Tories or Labour and could never vote for either of them having voted for both of them in the past.... and having lived through and experienced the Thatcher and Blair era's, I do not particularly like or trust reform but the former two have had their day. Reform is the mechanism I will use to give the big to the boot up the arse I think they need. At this moment in time as previously stated, Politics is well and truly fucked and you can't trust any of them which Labour and Tories have demonstrated admirably.

To your point about political parties having the responsibility having capable people,,,, they ALL fail on that score IMO.

The problem is much deeper than just Boris.
 
bluethrunthru said:
another child this time in charge of Adult Social Care - this is going to end so badly for them

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I really hope they have strong leadership at Director of Service level, capable of ensuring statutory obligations are adhered to, otherwise there's going to be an utter shit show and great harm inflicted on the children and vulnerable adults they were elected to represent.
 
I find it sad that so many people see politics as soap powder. Tried Brand A - not happy with it. Tried Brand B - not happy with it. So I'll try Brand C.

On that basis, you might as well vote for the Communists, as they've not been tried out in the UK. Daft? No dafter than voting for a bunch of shysters and tin-pot fascists.

Here's a thought. Maybe Britain has intractable problems that no party can solve in a short time. Maybe as a nation, we're in a spiral of decline that's almost impossible to halt. (Think Austrian Hungary, pre WW1, for a working example.)

Or to put it another way, if a qualified plumber is struggling to sort out my plumbing, is it sensible to replace him with a vacuum cleaner salesman out of frustration?
 
What Cllr Pugsley seems to have omitted was at 19 years old he is a director of his own property company or which he is sole shareholder.

Also is X profile page is run out of yep 55 Tufton Street - you can see who will be pulling his strings
 
BrianW said:
I find it sad that so many people see politics as soap powder. Tried Brand A - not happy with it. Tried Brand B - not happy with it. So I'll try Brand C.

On that basis, you might as well vote for the Communists, as they've not been tried out in the UK. Daft? No dafter than voting for a bunch of shysters and tin-pot fascists.

Here's a thought. Maybe Britain has intractable problems that no party can solve in a short time. Maybe as a nation, we're in a spiral of decline that's almost impossible to halt. (Think Austrian Hungary, pre WW1, for a working example.)

Or to put it another way, if a qualified plumber is struggling to sort out my plumbing, is it sensible to replace him with a vacuum cleaner salesman out of frustration?
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It's time for proportional representation,
 
richardtheref said:
Tice has just been on Peston saying 50% of Boston residents don't speak English. 30% don't speak any English. According to the last census it's actually 10% who state who don't have English as their primary language. 5% speak no English in Boston. Wonder why he would mis quote the figures
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I hope that lying **** ends up on one of the trains I work through Boston.
 
richardtheref said:
Tice has just been on Peston saying 50% of Boston residents don't speak English. 30% don't speak any English. According to the last census it's actually 10% who state who don't have English as their primary language. 5% speak no English in Boston. Wonder why he would mis quote the figures
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Some truth there though

 
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