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[Vic]

That last line tells us all we need to know about how politics are so wrong in this country. Normally, when getting a new job, we’d be graced with a period of handover from the incumbent but in politics there is such animosity that they just leave a new incumbent to fail their constituents.

Personally, I think it’s disrespectful to the people they profess to serve.

Sorry. If you get elected without knowing what the job is, replacing someone who's effectively been sacked without notice, you can't really expect much help from them. If you're also telling the people who run the council from day to day that they're not efficient (while you don't know what your job is, let alone theirs) you may not welcome their sound advice.

If "The people they profess to serve" elected these idiots, good luck. If a defeated councillor wants to help someone in the community they can still do that - so they get elected next time. But pull Reform's fat out of the fire? Why risk getting burned when they break the law (as they will over employment law, equality law, or data protection)?

 

[Vic]

Not very community minded is she? Possibly why she didn't get re-elected.

Everyone has to start somewhere, sadly, we're not all blessed with an abundance of knowledge from the very start of any job we undertake and many of us have to ask for help, Regardless of what the switch was, be it Independent/Green, Lib/Dem/Reform or even Tory to Labour. or any other combination.

Seriously? You apply for a job and don't know what it is?

 

[Vic]

Just where are you on the stages of grief?

I think that you may be in the anger stage - but maybe still in denial?

Most people that I know that voted to Leave are fully understanding of the UK need for significant immigration.

Honestly, it is simply not true that people only voted to leave because they are all thick racists - that is just the narrative that some people established and want to maintain - even years later. There were/are other (valid) reasons for people to have wanted the UK to leave the EU

Perhaps some people need to move on - or at least try to. There are things happening with the key policies of UK government departments that are entirely incompatible with any plans or even have the possibility to rejoin. If (even) a Starmer led government is progressing to levels of acceptance then perhaps diehard Remainers should try to as well - it would surely help quality of life?

As a Leaver who said EU immigration was racist because it was mostly white, you have greater culpability.

Have you got Cypriot citizenship yet?

 

[Vic]

My co worker is a Reform and Farage fan who keeps spamming and sharing kick all Muslims memes and constantly posts how Muslims are taking over the UK, yet once the football starts and his Liverpool team plays he changes to " OMG king Mo Salah" " Love you Ibou"... I'm honestly wondering how these people operate or think ?

Sharing on a work phone?

 

[Vic]

Fucking state of those two...are they part of DOGE UK? If so which one is "big balls" ?

Sad, but I had to watch the event. He said 8 words: "I second the motion" twice. Lots more to do to earn his £25k a year.

It was actually chaotic. Reform doesn't have an overall majority, the Tories have agreed some deal to support Reform taking leader and deputy leader even though as second largest party the Tories are the official opposition, but haven't been given chairs of any scrutiny committee. So they proposed an alternative list of committee members. Officers were struggling throughout but didn't help by not saying the Tory list should be voted on first as an amendment. And it was impossible to know from the video who was voting for what.

From 53.15 to get a feel for how the good voters of Leicestershire may be living in interesting times.

 

[Vic]

It's time for proportional representation,

See Leicestershire!

 

[BigJoe#1]

Seriously? You apply for a job and don't know what it is?

Where is that said?

Anyone starting a new job, particularly in a new organisation will need some kind of induction and get shown "the ropes" so to speak... unless you already know everything like many on here appear to?

I just don't get where applying for a job and not knowing what it is comes from.

 

[Oldham Exile]

Where is that said?

Anyone starting a new job, particularly in a new organisation will need some kind of induction and get shown "the ropes" so to speak... unless you already know everything like many on here appear to?

I just don't get where applying for a job and not knowing what it is comes from.

Twisting of other poster's words is standard for him

 

[Oldham Exile]

As a Leaver who said EU immigration was racist because it was mostly white, you have greater culpability.

Have you got Cypriot citizenship yet?

Seems like you are another who needs to start 'getting over it' (and perhaps yourself)

 

[BrianW]

Being a councillor isn't a 'job' as such, you are there to represent 'the people'.

Full training is provided - but if you're close-minded or just plain thick, it will likely fly over your head.

However, being a councillor has its legal perils. In certain circumstances, you can be liable to pay out big bucks. In that sense, it's rather like being a Company Director. A wise councillor will never vote for anything against legal advice.

I don't worry about it - as I don't give a fuck - but I suspect at least some of these people are so maverick that they will drop themselves in deep shit. Contrary to popular opinion, being a councillor or even the Leader of the Council, does not give you unlimited power. In fact, you work within a tight corset of legal and financial restraints - that's how it's set up, deliberately - and you kick over the traces at your peril.

 

[meltonblue]

I'm certain that every job/position I have ever applied for I had an idea of what was expected of me. 2 of the Reform UK councillors from Willington, Co Durham admitted on sky news that they would now have to read the Reform UK manifesto. Again an example of the type of folk attracted to Reform UK

The amount of the population willing to vote for them is very worrying.

 

[bluethrunthru]

These people are assuming responsibility for multi-million in some cases billion pound budgets - I feel sorry for those about to be hit by a shit storm of authority paralysed with fear - we those who didn't vote Reform. Those who did you are about to experience what farming and fishing did post Brexit as a rsult of backing knuckleheads

 

[tweety]

These people are assuming responsibility for multi-million in some cases billion pound budgets - I feel sorry for those about to be hit by a shit storm of authority paralysed with fear - we those who didn't vote Reform. Those who did you are about to experience what farming and fishing did post Brexit as a rsult of backing knuckleheads

Any thoughts on Warrington which has £1.8 billion of debt under decades of labour councils? You have no idea of how the reform councils will perform but I can guarantee you that they will never be as bad as the idiots in charge of Warrington.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Any thoughts on Warrington which has £1.8 billion of debt under decades of labour councils? You have no idea of how the reform councils will perform but I can guarantee you that they will never be as bad as the idiots in charge of Warrington.

Facts like this are quickly brushed under the carpet sadly..... and there are plenty who are on the verge of bankruptcy.

At least Reform and others will have a well trodden path to follow, something along the lines of.... "look at the shit we inherited from the last shower of shit who were in control". But I guess that too will get swept away under the carpet.

 

[Vic]

Any thoughts on Warrington which has £1.8 billion of debt under decades of labour councils? You have no idea of how the reform councils will perform but I can guarantee you that they will never be as bad as the idiots in charge of Warrington.

It's a debt the same as your mortgage. And your house is an asset at the same time.

It's been borrowed (from central government) either to lend on (at a higher interest rate) to housing associations to build homes, or to buy property (warehouses, supermarkets, a whole business park) and use the rents to stave off cuts that many councils have made. I saw one deal - I can't remember the exact figures - where they'd borrowed something like £50m from the government scheme, on long-term low interest rates, to buy a supermarket, had the rents off it to pay the interest and have an annual surplus to put in the kitty, then sold it a few years later for the same price, and only had to pay back £30m - because the government loan scheme reckoned it was worth a "discount" to get the money back to lend out to others at twice the interest rate.

There's been some odd stuff, like investing in their own bank, or in an energy company that failed (but even that may break even).

When the Tories started cutting grants to councils, Eric Pickles told councils to be "more commercial".

 

[bluethrunthru]

Any thoughts on Warrington which has £1.8 billion of debt under decades of labour councils? You have no idea of how the reform councils will perform but I can guarantee you that they will never be as bad as the idiots in charge of Warrington.

If you believe that are you interested in buying a bridge

 

[tweety]

Come on! The labour council went out and mortgaged our town upto the hilt with no business expertise on so called investments that are now worth considerably less than what they bought them for, that's the reality.
Why are you defending the indefensible?

It's a debt the same as your mortgage. And your house is an asset at the same time.

It's been borrowed (from central government) either to lend on (at a higher interest rate) to housing associations to build homes, or to buy property (warehouses, supermarkets, a whole business park) and use the rents to stave off cuts that many councils have made. I saw one deal - I can't remember the exact figures - where they'd borrowed something like £50m from the government scheme, on long-term low interest rates, to buy a supermarket, had the rents off it to pay the interest and have an annual surplus to put in the kitty, then sold it a few years later for the same price, and only had to pay back £30m - because the government loan scheme reckoned it was worth a "discount" to get the money back to lend out to others at twice the interest rate.

There's been some odd stuff, like investing in their own bank, or in an energy company that failed (but even that may break even).

When the Tories started cutting grants to councils, Eric Pickles told councils to be "more commercial".

 

[tweety]

If you believe that are you interested in buying a bridge

If you're going to comment at least explain, throw away lines generally mean you have no comeback.

 

[meltonblue]

Any thoughts on Warrington which has £1.8 billion of debt under decades of labour councils? You have no idea of how the reform councils will perform but I can guarantee you that they will never be as bad as the idiots in charge of Warrington.

Oh I guarantee they could be, based on the quality of some of their candidates that have been elected.

 

[bluethrunthru]

If you're going to comment at least explain, throw away lines generally mean you have no comeback.

I consider you to be placing your trust in probably the single largest group in number of people who are completely unqualified and uneducated in the task they are facing and thinking that somehow they are the answer to your prayers.

You said decades of Labour have done what they have done and thats with councillors who understand the running of local Govt. There have been a number of resignations already - elected councillors stating they need to go away and read the Reform manifesto as they don't understand what they stood for - elected councillors begging for outgoing councillors for advice on what the role entails and there are 2 19 year olds fresh out of public schools put in charge of Adult Social Care with a budget of over £400m pa. Its ok though because central govt actually sets the policy care and they lack the necessary qualifications to legally take up their roles. And you assume thats the recipe for success?

Anyway about that bridge I have various designs available from a small stone bridge designed to span a stream or beck to allow pack horses to cross up to a full suspension bridge it just depends on how much you want to spend .......