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BridgyDids said:
Still not had a response to this…
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Go on the website https://hopenothate.org.uk. Look at the pathetic attendance record of their Councillors. You might have thought they would be full of 'revolutionary zeal'. Clearly it's too much effort and probably involves discussing topics other than the boats problem
 
bluethrunthru said:
are you surprised?
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Although, they aren’t who I’d vote for, I’m open for praising where deserved. I would have expected at least one thing of note (bin days and flags don’t count) to have been done, or in progress in 600 odd councils.

It’s disappointing.
 
blue for life said:
I am in Whitby literally staying down from a pub called the Middle Earth Tavern. Turns out it’s a Reform UK pub. They hold meetings there. Not receiving a penny from me. Plenty of other great hostelries here!
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I saw an interview with the guy who runs that Reform Pub in Blackpool. He claims he's not even a supporter just saw a business opportunity and his failing pub is now booming. Thats Blackpool for ya.
 
blue for life said:
I am in Whitby literally staying down from a pub called the Middle Earth Tavern. Turns out it’s a Reform UK pub. They hold meetings there. Not receiving a penny from me. Plenty of other great hostelries here!
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They really missed one of the key themes of lotr huh.
 
Vic said:
Please don't tell us you think Hitler was left wing. And all those torturing Latin American military dictators installed by the CIA. And Trump. And Putin. And Marcos. The Shah? Botha?
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Is that the best you can do? Trump lol
I suppose the Soviet Union has been cancelled from the left wing memory? and of course the old Soviet bloc East Germany, Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia etc, to move the body count up a level lets throw in China and for plain old butchery Khmer Rouge Cambodia and some present day monsters in North Korea , Laos and Venezuela. Not forgetting African disasters in Ethiopia, Angola, Somalia , Mozambique .
There are more as you well know but what's the old excuse .. they haven't implemented socialism properly .
Socialism and freedom are a contradiction. Where is your socialist state with a genuinely free society and a genuine democracy with a human rights record you would be proud of ? And you think we need the ECHR ffs.
 
west didsblue said:
If you were really honest you would admit you want out of the ECHR just because it associates us with Europe and the 45 other countries that are members. The fact you want to be like Russia and Belarus is a bit weird tbh. What’s next on your list? UEFA or Eurovision?
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Ah , first point lost , lets just throw some random shit ...
No, I want us to make our own laws that suit our needs and that we can change as we see fit by our democratically elected Parliament.
 
Vic said:
I wouldn't trivialise his opposition to human rights. Maybe he approves of torture and genocide.

"The development of human rights is founded in the Jewish experience of an appalling breach of human rights."

The European Convention on Human Rights - The Jewish case for staying signed in - René Cassin

The European Convention on Human Rights The Jewish case for staying signed in - A Parliamentary Briefing – November 2023
renecassin.org renecassin.org
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Not like you to mentioning the word Jewish in any sort of positive fashion.
 
urban genie said:
I don't think I make your point, as your point is adjusted each time a poster proves you are talking nonsense
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You did.
My point was that we do not need to be in the ECHR, we would be better served making our own law to cover off our rights as do those countries I mentioned.
You proved my point by replying that those countries do indeed have comprehensive human rights laws, in fact you claimed more so than the ECHR .
You clearly proved my point .
My point hasn't moved or adjusted one bit.
I think then it is you talking nonsense isn't it.
 
BTH said:
Dear me. Is that you Nigel? Close your account. I'm embarrassed on your behalf.
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Gosh you've rumbled me. Sorry I took some time reply, been finishing off my big announcement on deportations for tomorrow, which includes by happy coincidence the ECHR.
Don't be embarrassed for me, in 4 years time when we begin the process of withdrawing from the ECHR I will be embarrassed for you when you are wetting your trousers at the loss of the protections you imagine you will be losing without it.
 
BridgyDids said:
So you don’t want us part of the European Human Rights Act, but agree that we should be signed up to an equivalent under our legislation?
What part of the ECHR specifically do you not agree with?
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Yes, and I do not imagine it would differ substantially from the ECHR, the difference is that it would only apply to our citizens.
The ECHR and the Refugee convention are being weaponised to subvert our ability to control our borders.
The governments of Europe are fighting not to take the never-ending flow of migrants from Africa and the Middle East, none of them want them, yet they are hamstrung by these outdated laws and conventions that none have the courage to withdraw from. That said a number are now looking at Rwanda style plans which if they fail up against the ECHR then we might see support for the ECHR collapse in Europe to.
For me,I don't care if a convicted rapist from Afghanistan might be tortured by the Taliban if he was deported back to Afghanistan, or a Pakistani rapist would be denied his right to a Family life if he is deported to Pakistan , they should be gone, we need to be able to make our wn legislation to allow it to happen.
 
Hertzblue said:
Yes, and I do not imagine it would differ substantially from the ECHR, the difference is that it would only apply to our citizens.
The ECHR and the Refugee convention are being weaponised to subvert our ability to control our borders.
The governments of Europe are fighting not to take the never-ending flow of migrants from Africa and the Middle East, none of them want them, yet they are hamstrung by these outdated laws and conventions that none have the courage to withdraw from. That said a number are now looking at Rwanda style plans which if they fail up against the ECHR then we might see support for the ECHR collapse in Europe to.
For me,I don't care if a convicted rapist from Afghanistan might be tortured by the Taliban if he was deported back to Afghanistan, or a Pakistani rapist would be denied his right to a Family life if he is deported to Pakistan , they should be gone, we need to be able to make our wn legislation to allow it to happen.
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With regard to the ECHR, it was English Law that prevented the deportation of asylum seekers to Rwanda from the UK. The ECHR hasn't made any ruling on the UK with respect to UK legislation relating to asylum seekers.

We can't just leave the Council of Europe, without there being huge ramifications with regard to binding treaties we have signed over the years.

You are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think we can just walk away from the ECHR and everything will be fine.

How could the UK leave the ECHR without there being major implications for the Good Friday Agreement?
 
Hertzblue said:
Yes, and I do not imagine it would differ substantially from the ECHR, the difference is that it would only apply to our citizens.
The ECHR and the Refugee convention are being weaponised to subvert our ability to control our borders.
The governments of Europe are fighting not to take the never-ending flow of migrants from Africa and the Middle East, none of them want them, yet they are hamstrung by these outdated laws and conventions that none have the courage to withdraw from. That said a number are now looking at Rwanda style plans which if they fail up against the ECHR then we might see support for the ECHR collapse in Europe to.
For me,I don't care if a convicted rapist from Afghanistan might be tortured by the Taliban if he was deported back to Afghanistan, or a Pakistani rapist would be denied his right to a Family life if he is deported to Pakistan , they should be gone, we need to be able to make our wn legislation to allow it to happen.
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Ok, I understand your viewpoint.

It’s more a point of order / admin you want to see amended rather than the actual content / intent of the legislation. I can appreciate that.
 
Hertzblue said:
You did.
My point was that we do not need to be in the ECHR, we would be better served making our own law to cover off our rights as do those countries I mentioned.
You proved my point by replying that those countries do indeed have comprehensive human rights laws, in fact you claimed more so than the ECHR .
You clearly proved my point .
My point hasn't moved or adjusted one bit.
I think then it is you talking nonsense isn't it.
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We do make own own laws and have own human rights act, we always have done.

Look at the main ECHR rules, every nation with human right laws has the same rules.

Being part yof the ECHR protects British citizens when in europe, also obeing a member does not stop us making our own laws and never has.

Not sure what you think membership stops us doing.
 
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