Refs and consistency / Clattenburg cock up {merged}

Ref's do their best, Linesman do their best but at Sunday league level to Premiership level, mistakes are always made. It's always going to happen.

In reality, whatever way people want to look at it, there is little bias. (at times, some Ref's are worried of making a big call at big places) I certainly never even believe for a moment, Ref's prefer some clubs to other clubs but psychologically, things can have an effect, but bad decisions happens to all teams. United have got some obvious decisions, made more clear by every single fan because it's United. No one really bought up fuss about Blues offside/handball goal to equalize in the dying minutes. I've also seen plenty of big penalty shouts go against them, simply because they are winning games 3/4-0, I remember watching the Blackburn game..(7-1) on a stream and there were a couple pretty blatent penalty shouts turned down. Who mentions them? No one. Of course at times, Ref's don't want to give certain decisions if they can help it because they don't want to be absolutely anilihiated, that's wrong but I certainly don't believe any Ref goes out with the intention of choosing a team over another.

Tony Pulis annoys me, goes on about constant decisions against Stoke, yet Stoke beat Villa earlier in the season because of Jermaine Pennant winning a free-kick through a clear dive where our player didn't even make a tackle or contact with the player. He didn't mention that did he?

No referee is going to be faultless, who in their job is faultless, one that is so quickly paced and takes split second decisions.

Some Ref's have terrible games, some have great games, some have decent games but only terrible games and terrible decisions are pointed out and decisions inside or outside the box, are no different.

A player dives outside the box, ref gives a free-kick....only decision he gets wrong all game....the Ref has been pretty good...

a player dives inside the box, ref gives a penalty....only decision he gets wrong all game...the Ref was shit, cost us the match.

In reality, Ref's just try do their jobs, very tough one's in the Premier League, probably the toughest league to do because the pace and intensity. They make some howlers, sometimes psychologically, they approach games wrong but bias towards certain sides is not something I go with, or else I wouldn't watch football.

All in all, they make bad calls but they still are a helluva lot better at what they do than most who give it a go. There really does need to be some sort of system to try and get ex players into refereeing.
 
Villan10 said:
Ref's do their best, Linesman do their best but at Sunday league level to Premiership level, mistakes are always made. It's always going to happen.

In reality, whatever way people want to look at it, there is little bias. (at times, some Ref's are worried of making a big call at big places) I certainly never even believe for a moment, Ref's prefer some clubs to other clubs but psychologically, things can have an effect, but bad decisions happens to all teams. United have got some obvious decisions, made more clear by every single fan because it's United. No one really bought up fuss about Blues offside/handball goal to equalize in the dying minutes. I've also seen plenty of big penalty shouts go against them, simply because they are winning games 3/4-0, I remember watching the Blackburn game..(7-1) on a stream and there were a couple pretty blatent penalty shouts turned down. Who mentions them? No one. Of course at times, Ref's don't want to give certain decisions if they can help it because they don't want to be absolutely anilihiated, that's wrong but I certainly don't believe any Ref goes out with the intention of choosing a team over another.

Tony Pulis annoys me, goes on about constant decisions against Stoke, yet Stoke beat Villa earlier in the season because of Jermaine Pennant winning a free-kick through a clear dive where our player didn't even make a tackle or contact with the player. He didn't mention that did he?

No referee is going to be faultless, who in their job is faultless, one that is so quickly paced and takes split second decisions.

Some Ref's have terrible games, some have great games, some have decent games but only terrible games and terrible decisions are pointed out and decisions inside or outside the box, are no different.

A player dives outside the box, ref gives a free-kick....only decision he gets wrong all game....the Ref has been pretty good...

a player dives inside the box, ref gives a penalty....only decision he gets wrong all game...the Ref was shit, cost us the match.

In reality, Ref's just try do their jobs, very tough one's in the Premier League, probably the toughest league to do because the pace and intensity. They make some howlers, sometimes psychologically, they approach games wrong but bias towards certain sides is not something I go with, or else I wouldn't watch football.

All in all, they make bad calls but they still are a helluva lot better at what they do than most who give it a go. There really does need to be some sort of system to try and get ex players into refereeing.

I like you more by the post for a Villain. When do we get to adopt you as an honorary blue?

On a serious note, these decisions are not good but this has been happening for a few years now. How the linesman today missed that non penalty at Blackburn was an absolute joke. I remember Clattenburg stuffing up big time in the Wolves v West Ham game earlier this season when he ruled out a perfectly good WHU goal late on.

Serious changes need to be made in the game to help referees out, but seeing as after Lampard's CLEAR goal against Germany in the WC, Blatter & Platini still have not introduced any sort of technology apart from those extra assistants (which I like by the way) what can we hope for?

At the end of the day these decisions are potentially costing clubs millions of pounds. Tempt Pierluigi Collina aka Richard O Brien out of retirement I say.
 
The FIFA guidance:

Referees should consider the following circumstances when deciding whether
to send off a player for denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity:
• the distance between the offence and the goal
• the likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
• the direction of the play
• the location and number of defenders


But the get-out is the wording of the law itself (the bit in italics) that these days seems to mean that you have to be virtually straight in front of goal to qualify as an obvious opportunity:

denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick
 
The referee’s can’t win really. On the one hand you have managers calling for ‘consistency of decision making and application of the law’ and then with the next breath they’ll be banging on about ‘why can’t they use common sense’ and ‘It’s clear they never played the game’. Managers (and us fans for that matter) change our tune dependent on the circumstances and whether it favours our club or not.

If managers want ‘common sense’ applied then they need to accept that incidents will be adjudged differently by each ref.

If on the other hand they want a set of black and white rules then they need to realise that at times the punishment will be seen as too severe for the crime as there’s no flexibility.

The truth is it’s probably just about right as it is.
 
Refs will never be consistent and will always make mistakes. I'd deffo go for a bit of technology - offsides/goal line/penalty decisions etc., but I can't see huge differences in refereeing decisions.

Even our "terrible" run of refereeing this season has involved 3-4 games where decisions went our way. We only seem to remember the penalties we didn't get, not the ones our opponents didn't.
 
Shands said:
The referee’s can’t win really. On the one hand you have managers calling for ‘consistency of decision making and application of the law’ and then with the next breath they’ll be banging on about ‘why can’t they use common sense’

Spot on. I've said this to people so many times and can't believe how often it comes up. You'll see supposedly intelligent presenters letting sofa idiots get away with making the 'consistency' and 'common sense/flexibility' arguments in the same ramble!

Someone needs to draw a f***** chart for pundits explaining that they're not the same thing!
 
In my duaghters under 11 game yesterday player clean through on the goal gets brought down in the area by the only defender, penalty awarded, no cards whatsoever. At half time i asked the ref whether bookings and sending offs were applicable to which he replied yes but I was being lenient!! Is it any wonder no decent young refs are coming through. I don't care how old they are the law is the law and the young boy should have been sent off. End of rant
 
Eds said:
In my duaghters under 11 game yesterday player clean through on the goal gets brought down in the area by the only defender, penalty awarded, no cards whatsoever. At half time i asked the ref whether bookings and sending offs were applicable to which he replied yes but I was being lenient!! Is it any wonder no decent young refs are coming through. I don't care how old they are the law is the law and the young boy should have been sent off. End of

I don't remember anyone ever getting sent off when I was in primary school (and very rarely in secondary). Unless it's violent conduct, or persistent cheating I'd go with the ref on this one.

Football should still be about fun at school. Imagine if you're daughter mistimed a tackle in the first 5 minutes and got sent off - her weekly game ruined. Much better for the ref to have a word with the manager - I'd much rather kids learnt through actually playing than being given "harsh lessons" which could put them off at such a young age.
 

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