Refugee crisis

mancityvstoke said:
I agree....but where's the money and rescources...we're fucked as it is.

Lot's of people have this fear.....It's nothing to do with what colour or language they speak...it's to do with funding and resources
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Money and Resources? FFS the UK could probably take in 20,000 refugees for 5 years for the cost of designing that new £1 fucking coin this year.

Edit: The EU have already said they'll help with funding and what you'll spend on taking the refugees in will only be spent on foreign aid if they go back.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Money and Resources? FFS the UK could probably take in 20,000 refugees for 5 years for the cost of designing that new £1 fucking coin this year.
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Ok.....take them then.......I just see people struggling in jobs under pressure

At this point I'm jacking this in as it's gone a bit mental
 
mancityvstoke said:
Ok.....take them then.......I just see people struggling in jobs under pressure

At this point I'm jacking this in as it's gone a bit mental
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People struggling in jobs under pressure while the richest 10% in the UK get tax cuts. You're casting blame in the wrong direction.
 
mancityvstoke said:
I agree....but where's the money and rescources...we're fucked as it is.

Lot's of people have this fear.....It's nothing to do with what colour or language they speak...it's to do with funding and resources
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We're not fucked. Far far far from it. We're the 6th or 7th richest country on the planet. Just because our govt CHOOSES to woefully under-invest in public services doesn't mean it can't be done. The govt are very keen at telling us the country is fucked, but this is just a simplistic ruse to disguise their ideologically led shrinking of the state as a pragmatic policy. It's not.
 
I was horrified at that image of the boy....
And we point the finger at ISIS, when since the initial Gulf War/ Afghanistan the West have been destablising the middle east, trying to play the end against the middle in an attempt to "control" it, but it's coming to bite us massively on the arse now.
Isis need wiping out, yes, but the whole post 9/11 finger pointing and distrust of each others culture has to stop, it's at a tipping point now, the whole world needs to collectively sort this out, or we will slide into WW3
 
What an evil twat Cameron is, he wants fuckin stringing up if he doesn't help out and open our doors for some of these refugees...
 
This thread will easily reach 500+ pages, this is a huge huge crisis that many can not comprehend, whatever solution is implemented will take a long time and i just hope the attitude changes from some that worry about the burden on ''our resources'' to ''lets do all we can to help''.

** And whilst there's been some distasteful comments on here, check out the SkyNews ones under the article. f*cking disgusting.
 
mancityvstoke said:
No one is...........well I'm not. I'm sure some are qualified people...but can we cope with more people in an over populated country where the poor are in the shit?
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urmston said:
If refugees are a benefit to a society why aren't countries eager to get as many as they can instead of squabbling amongst themselves about how many each should accept.

Are all countries wrong in assuming refugees are a net cost to their societies?

Seems unlikely to me.
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There will be an initial cost of course, but long term i don't see why they can't make a positive contribution. They're not just refugees, they're real people. They have skills, qualifications, experience, they've lived and survived in a country where the state does't provide as much support as ours, so why can't they do the same here?

It's practically an investment, we have an ageing population to support and they can be part of the solution if managed correctly. Young, hard working people needing to build a new life. Help them and they can help us.

Of course the reality is there's no political will to make the effort for a number of reasons. The benefits are more likely to be long term plus the public reaction will be mixed at best, not exactly a combination that'll make the politicians eager act.

Maybe even the cost will end up greater, but to ignore the possible positive contribution to focus solely on the negative means the cost to us will be greatly over-estimated.
 
I don't hear that much of an outcry from the working people or their trade unions to demand that we take in lots of refugees.

Labour should keep quiet too if it knows what is good for it.
 
My daughter is the same age as that poor boy, I dread to think the decision those parents had to make, this world is royally fucked when someone is making a fortune off their misery and at the other end people are basically wanting to throw them back.
I don't have the answer but this isn't a few asylum seekers anymore this is a migration of a people so desperate they are drowning rather than staying on their homes.
The only way I can see to stop it is to wipe ISIL off the face of the planet so these poor people can stay in their own lads free of fear, otherwise we open the borders getting rid off the smugglers and treat these people as human beings, I'm willing to pay an extra 5p in tax and I'm not rich if it stops little kids drowning in a sea.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
This thread will easily reach 500+ pages, this is a huge huge crisis that many can not comprehend, whatever solution is implemented will take a long time and i just hope the attitude changes from some that worry about the burden on ''our resources'' to ''lets do all we can to help''.
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Meanwhile you can do all you can do to help. No need to wait for the rest of us.

Simply send all of your disposable income to refugee charities and perhaps offer a room in you house to one.

Set us all an example.
 
pee dubya said:
There will be an initial cost of course, but long term i don't see why they can't make a positive contribution. They're not just refugees, they're real people. They have skills, qualifications, experience, they've lived and survived in a country where the state does't provide as much support as ours, so why can't they do the same here?

It's practically an investment, we have an ageing population to support and they can be part of the solution if managed correctly. Young, hard working people needing to build a new life. Help them and they can help us.

Of course the reality is there's no political will to make the effort for a number of reasons. The benefits are more likely to be long term plus the public reaction will be mixed at best, not exactly a combination that'll make the politicians eager act.

Maybe even the cost will end up greater, but to ignore the possible positive contribution to focus solely on the negative means the cost to us will be greatly over-estimated.
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How many doctors do you reckon are suffocating or drowning in this? They're £250k a pop to train.
 
mancityvstoke said:
Ok.....take them then.......I just see people struggling in jobs under pressure

At this point I'm jacking this in as it's gone a bit mental
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you've helped send it a bit mental. Got nothing to argue with so after shitstirring for a while you fuck off? What a guy.

@Bewar3them00n ww3 is what I'm afraid of. The potential fallout from that will eclipse anything seen before. Won't be pretty. The governments of the world should stop making weapons. If not then ww3 is unfortunately inevitable.
 
Yaya_Tony said:
you've helped send it a bit mental. Got nothing to argue with so after shitstirring for a while you fuck off? What a guy.

@Bewar3them00n ww3 is what I'm afraid of. The potential fallout from that will eclipse anything seen before. Won't be pretty. The governments of the world should stop making weapons. If not then ww3 is unfortunately inevitable.
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youre the one doing the shit stirring
Yaya_Tony said:
you've helped send it a bit mental. Got nothing to argue with so after shitstirring for a while you fuck off? What a guy.

@Bewar3them00n ww3 is what I'm afraid of. The potential fallout from that will eclipse anything seen before. Won't be pretty. The governments of the world should stop making weapons. If not then ww3 is unfortunately inevitable.
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my argument is about finances and pressured resources........The refugees need help and I've agreed that.

Perhaps you can come up with some decent solutions to their sorry plight without resorting to veiled threats or false accusations of racism and xenophobia.

I have opinions and fears which many many people have and threatening people is silly and will not further your arguments to convince a lot of people that we should take thousands and thousands more refugees.

I've been warned not to argue but your personal comments make it extremely difficult
 
It is amazing to see the silent majority of bluemoon posting for once and a subject serious enough to elicit sensible posts and real emotion rather than points scoring.

Photos often have proved the most powerful way to tell a story and bring the humanity of the subject home. We can read about starvation, ISIS or the hocaust but to most people a picture can tell us more than a thousand words.

I hear every day people saying Britain or australia is broken, how waits can be 10 hours in a hospital , classes can have more than 30 kids or 8 people have to live in a 3 bedroom home.

The point is that "broken" is beyond the wildest dreams of 95% + of the world. How about no hospital or a hospital with no medicine, 18 people living under a tarpaulin and no education for your kids which is what most of those in huge refugee camps or fleeing war go through.

The sad thing is to some people its far more important they have a few extra quid in their pocket than a kids life is saved.

Australia has a horrible record on this based on the lies of politicians, the lies of the Murdoch press and a desire to remains rich as we can even if it means selling our humanity.

Case in point the latest much heralded policy of australia resettling people on Cambodia. The average cost is over $13 million per person, or the off shore camps where we spend Much more per person in total on keeping them there or the over a billion dollars spent keeping a few hundred out. australia has an irrational, expensive and inhumane system that is all about winning votes and winning power by who can be hardest. The fact it costs stupid amounts of money - many many times more than humane policy is itellevant . Why? Because people believe what Murdoch tells them, they don't care for rational common sense or reality . Truth is australia would rather spend 200k being tough on the poorest than 20k being kind. Meanwhile for much of the last decade you could earn over 100k pa driving a forklift truck because wages were so high. We needed labour, we needed skills .......

In australia the Unions and much of labor has been just as complicit as the hard religious right that dominates our government and the centre have been too silent! The self interest of the unions has sadly been every bit as strong as the self interest of the Murdoch and conservative brigades.
 
Reading BM does make me wonder how the UK got it's reputation for tolerance, generosity and compassion.

Anyway, why on earth did the UK allow those scrounging German Jews to settle in the 1930's?

Surely they should have stayed in Germany and fought the Nazis themselves. How dare they throw themselves upon our mercy.
 
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