Religion

No, he's definitely a materialist. When Spinoza talks of the world being part of 'God' it is interchangeable with the word 'nature'. He does use the term 'God', but it is not at all a God that has any kind of thought, drive or sits in judgement etc. He uses 'God' to describe 'all that is', probably partly so that he could argue in his day that he wasn't saying God doesn't exist. I've read pretty much everything Spinoza has written that has been translated into English and I'd argue the above description of Spinoza gets him wrong.
Just checked Stephen Law’s entry on Spinoza in his book The Great Philosophers. Law is an atheist himself and can be highly scathing when it comes to traditional theistic faith and especially creationism. His book Believing Bullshit is wonderfully entertaining in that respect.

But he too describes Spinoza as a pantheist.

‘…the one great substance is the spatio-temporal world. However, surprisingly perhaps, Spinoza claims that this substance is also God.’

And a little further on:

‘His God is not a creator God. Nor is he a personal God, with a special affection for human beings.’

And right at the end of the entry:

‘We cannot survive as disembodied mental substances in the way Descartes envisaged. Yet Spinoza did still consider himself religious. He is usually described as a pantheist- someone who believes that God is identical with everything there is.’

Not seeking to challenge your interpretation of Spinoza here as I haven’t read a word of him and maybe he is getting misread. And it is entirely plausible that Spinoza had to conceal his true beliefs, given how appallingly he seems to have been treated from what I have heard (other philosophers had to do the same, like Hume and Bentham).

Instead, what you may want to consider is writing something about this issue. The editors of Philosophy Now magazine might be receptive to a good article and you don’t have to be an academic to get their attention.
 
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Just checked Stephen Law’s entry on Spinoza in his book The Great Philosophers. Law is an atheist himself and can be highly scathing when it comes to traditional theistic faith and especially creationism. His book Believing Bullshit is wonderfully entertaining in that respect.

But he too describes Spinoza as a pantheist.

‘…the one great substance is the spatio-temporal world. However, surprisingly perhaps, Spinoza claims that this substance is also God.’

And a little further on:

‘His God is not a creator God. Nor is he a personal God, with a special affection for human beings.’

And right at the end of the entry:

‘We cannot survive as disembodied mental substances in the way Descartes envisaged. Yet Spinoza did still consider himself religious. He is usually described as a pantheist- someone who believes that God is identical with everything there is.’

Not seeking to challenge your interpretation of Spinoza here as I haven’t read a word of him and maybe he is getting misread. And it is entirely plausible that Spinoza had to conceal his true beliefs, given how appallingly he seems to have been treated from what I have heard (other philosophers had to do the same, like Hume and Bentham).

Instead, what you may want to consider is writing something about this issue. The editors of Philosophy Now magazine might be receptive to a good article and you don’t have to be an academic to get their attention.
I'll just point towards Jonathan Isreal's series of books on the matter. I am an academic as it turns out, but not in this field, I read Spinoza for enjoyment. I will argue that Spinoza did not find himself 'religious' in any sense at all however. He does use the term 'god', but as I said, it's very much akin to the use of the word 'nature'. There is no driving force guiding anything in spinoza's god and no judgement at all on creation (Spinoza has some brilliant stuff on why it is completely contradictory that a perfect god would ever become annoyed or angry with his own creation. Him doing so would prove he is not perfect, because he is not happy with what he has created and god by his very nature is perfect, so he can't get angry with 'us'). When he says 'god', he means 'everything that is'. I can see why people might get this confused with pantheism, but i suspect they haven't properly read his works.

* EDIT i ended up having a quick look into this and it seems there is a big debate on this, but it mostly boils down to what the definition of a pantheist is. If it involves a 'god' with zero drive or intelligence, then you could argue he is a pantheist, but I'd still say this is wrong and that he is an atheist.
 
My criticisms of the big bang are scientific but there's much confirmation bias in your thought process and straw man rhetoric that keeps you somewhat shielded cozily from criticism and an irrational worldview which tops it all off.

You've a biased reading of history in that you virtually accuse creationists as inquistionists.
This, of course, is nonsense. Galileo was a scientist who believed in the bible had truth and wanted to show that the Copernican (heliocentric) system was in line with it. He was against the views of his day with regard to the Bible which, blinded by some aspects of Aristotelian philosophy, did not do justice to the biblical word. Galileo wasnt trialled for going against the Bible but for disobeying papal orders. What the galileo affair does is to show that its not about the relationhip between religion and science. We now know both Galileo and the Copernican system were well regarded by the church. Galileo could be nasty and vindictive and full of arrogance. What happened arose out of the jealousy of his colleagues and the personal politics of Pope Urban who had been a great benefactor years before. But Galileo wrote him into his play and made a mockery of him. So Urban was very upset. It also shows the authoritarian paganism of his day which is reflected in the authoritarianism of atheist naturalist evolution today which must not be questioned.
Ever hear of " nature discovered how" ," nature learned" ,"nature built ", " science teaches" etc . In all the science journals we see examples of this.This is an example of reification fallacy which attributes 'a mind'or 'a thing' to something immaterial. An idea is being spoken of as an actual thing or person. This is not just figure of speech . Science is not ' a thing' . It is knowledge which we all appreciate and are glad for. But science or knowledge of where the universe came from is easy to figure out.There are no gaps when we talk about time ,space, & matter having a beginning which must posit a timeless ,spaceless, immaterial , omnipotent, personal being as Creator.
But you guys make nature your idol which is deification and thus " exhange the truth of God for a lie and worship and serve the creature rather than the creator "
Materialist atheism is not difficult to argue against. Nature is all there is on this worldview. It says there is no transcendent Creator. Most atheists think their worldview rational. Atheism wrecks the possibility of knowledge, science and technology. If atheism is true then you couldn't prove one thing.
Reasoning uses laws of logic which are laws of thought or reasoning . One of them is law of non contradiction. Why should there be immaterial laws of thought ? For the Christian there's an absolute standard for reason. Laws of thought reflect the way God thinks. We are to model our thoughts after God's. The laws extend from God's non contradictory nature. "God can't deny himself " ( 2 Tim). The laws are abstract ,universal,invariant,immaterial, non conventional apply in all locations. They touch upon God as He is the Logos. But they are not fabricated by Him. Reasoning would be impossible without these Laws and without the biblical God.

The materialistic atheist cant explain laws of logic. He believes that everything that exists is material—part of the physical world. But laws of logic are not physical. You can't touch or feel one.
Laws of logic cannot exist in the atheists world. But he uses them to try to reason. This is inconsistent. He is taking from the religious worldview to argue against the religious worldview. The atheist’s view cannot be rational because he uses things (laws of logic) that cannot exist according to his materialistic worldview.
Just the same old shit. Find a problem, insert a god into it and claim you've solved it. You have offered literally zero evidence for the existence of any god, and certainly not the Biblical one. You could put literally any metaphysical being into your tautological argument and it would be the same. The only reason you choose the biblical god is because you're a Christian.

You then present a strawman view of what an atheist believes, when the only thing that defines an atheist is what they don't believe. There is absolutely nothing in atheism that states that only material or physical things exist. The difference between me and you is that you seem to believe that immaterial things can only come from God, whereas I believe that immaterial things can be the product of material things. Language isn't material, for example, but it quite clearly a product of our brain processes when combined with those of other people. Or do you use God synonymously with language too like you do logic? Were the rules of language handed down by God too, and if so, why has that changed (I hesitate to say evolved) so much over time?
 
I am a Christian, a medical doctor with an interest in science..there are many issues that perplex me..DNA and chirality..the suggestion that such a complex molecule developed in a primitive broth, statiscally is improbable..Miller-Urey produced a few amino acids in the lab but hardly enough to form DNA..the Sumerians and Akkadians had similar stories of floods and even the Moses story well before biblical times..Then of course we have the precambrian explosion which no-one can explain..I can not explain matters, but have my own belief and respect others opinions. There are so many other matters that could be discussed ,but due to the woke world we live in these are best not touched upon. Please remember that whilst acceptable to denegrate the Christian faith, doing the same for other faiths would certainly result in a ban or even worse.
 
I am a Christian, a medical doctor with an interest in science..there are many issues that perplex me..DNA and chirality..the suggestion that such a complex molecule developed in a primitive broth, statiscally is improbable..Miller-Urey produced a few amino acids in the lab but hardly enough to form DNA..the Sumerians and Akkadians had similar stories of floods and even the Moses story well before biblical times..Then of course we have the precambrian explosion which no-one can explain..I can not explain matters, but have my own belief and respect others opinions. There are so many other matters that could be discussed ,but due to the woke world we live in these are best not touched upon. Please remember that whilst acceptable to denegrate the Christian faith, doing the same for other faiths would certainly result in a ban or even worse.
@vmsuhail is not Christian. He/she was treated the same with comments to their posts.

@paulsimpson the zealot has, by your definition, denigrated all other religions and atheists in this thread.

im unsure why you chose to play ‘just’ the Christian victim card? Or why you imply that only pulling apart nonChristian religions will result in worse than a ban? Zealots of all religions take exception to even minor slights by extreme measures. Christians are not unknown from implementing those type of measures.

you are, as is everyone, entitled to hold your own beliefs.

edit: you’re a medical doctor with ‘an interest in science’… isn’t that essentially your actual job. You know medical stuff because it’s part of science, having ‘an‘ interest implies you aren’t a medical doctor…

Mrs JASR was a ‘medical doctor’ for 25+ years, and would be horrified to describe her interest as ‘an’
 
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Just the same old shit. Find a problem, insert a god into it and claim you've solved it. You have offered literally zero evidence for the existence of any god, and certainly not the Biblical one. You could put literally any metaphysical being into your tautological argument and it would be the same. The only reason you choose the biblical god is because you're a Christian.

You then present a strawman view of what an atheist believes, when the only thing that defines an atheist is what they don't believe. There is absolutely nothing in atheism that states that only material or physical things exist. The difference between me and you is that you seem to believe that immaterial things can only come from God, whereas I believe that immaterial things can be the product of material things. Language isn't material, for example, but it quite clearly a product of our brain processes when combined with those of other people. Or do you use God synonymously with language too like you do logic? Were the rules of language handed down by God too, and if so, why has that changed (I hesitate to say evolved) so much over time?
What he doesn't seem to grasp is that everyone, including himself, is an atheist. He doesn't believe in the ancient gods of Rome or the norse gods. There are an estimated 4200 active religions in the world!!! So he is an atheist towards 99% of them. That doesn't include the old defunct ones.
 
What he doesn't seem to grasp is that everyone, including himself, is an atheist. He doesn't believe in the ancient gods of Rome or the norse gods. There are an estimated 4200 active religions in the world!!! So he is an atheist towards 99% of them. That doesn't include the old defunct ones.
You are Ricky Gervais, and I claim the £10.
 
im unsure why you chose to play ‘just’ the Christian victim card? Or why you imply that only pulling apart nonChristian religions will result in worse than a ban? Zealots of all religions take exception to even minor slights by extreme measures. Christians are not unknown from implementing those type of measures.
I always find this line of argument from Christians interesting. "You wouldn't say that about Islam. You'd be too scared." It reveals an interesting desire in the people who say it that they'd like Christianity to be subject to the same fear-induced self-censorship that Islam currently is. Basically wishing for a return to the good old days when criticising Christianity could get you into a lot of trouble.
 

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