Religion

[Marklr]

Which report?

I can't find it now...but I did read i!! I wasn't dreaming. I'm not sure if it was a survey or just estimated.
But the point is that many people that say they're "catholic" or whatever, do so because it's just family tradition. I used to tick the "CoE" box on many forms I filled in....even though I knew it was all bollox.
I don't know ANYBODY that is religious any more. Apart from some Muslims.

 

[Octavian]

I can't find it now...but I did read i!! I wasn't dreaming. I'm not sure if it was a survey or just estimated.
But the point is that many people that say they're "catholic" or whatever, do so because it's just family tradition. I used to tick the "CoE" box on many forms I filled in....even though I knew it was all bollox.
I don't know ANYBODY that is religious any more. Apart from some Muslims.

I don’t disagree with the general point about box ticking and the figures likely being significantly lower for those that practice their religion but I still think 15% is a bit low. That’s probably accurate for those attending church but not those who actually believe there’s a God and it’s the Christian one. Muslims are much more devout but again, I know a few who just say they are but don’t actually care.

 

[Marklr]

I don’t disagree with the general point about box ticking and the figures likely being significantly lower for those that practice their religion but I still think 15% is a bit low. That’s probably accurate for those attending church but not those who actually believe there’s a God and it’s the Christian one. Muslims are much more devout but again, I know a few who just say they are but don’t actually care.

Yeah...I think it's ACTIVELY being Christian or religious that is only around 15%. Many of these surveys and reports can be confusing or even misleading.

 

[Octavian]

Yeah...I think it's ACTIVELY being Christian or religious that is only around 15%. Many of these surveys and reports can be confusing or even misleading.

It’s how you define “active”. My wife believes in it, prays etc. and will openly defend her faith but very rarely goes to church on a Sunday. I think she would be discounted from those figures for that. It’s probably somewhere in the middle of 15% and 53%.

 

[JASR]

What disgusting thing did Muhammad(saw) say about the Africans ? He explicitly called out racism in his farewell sermon.
"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor does a black have any superiority over a white, except by piety and good action."

Muhammad(saw) lived in a society deeply rooted in slavery. Slaves formed the majority of the labor force. When you say "mohammed sold slave", you are completely ignoring all the teachings he stated against slavery.

What did he mean when the Koran talks multiple times about multiple Slave wives then?

 

[urban genie]

There is only one saviour... Praise Jesus

 

[I'm With Stupid]

There are religions and religions. Not all say you will go to hell if you don't sign up for their brand. Not even the Pope says that these days.

They don't say that in countries where it'd be bad PR. But I wonder if the same applies to their clergy in developing countries. And write to the Vatican and ask them for their official position on this, and I imagine they'll respond with a quite clear policy that if you don't sign up for their brand, you'll get an eternity in hell.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I don’t disagree with the general point about box ticking and the figures likely being significantly lower for those that practice their religion but I still think 15% is a bit low. That’s probably accurate for those attending church but not those who actually believe there’s a God and it’s the Christian one. Muslims are much more devout but again, I know a few who just say they are but don’t actually care.

There's no way 15% of the population regularly attend church. The CofE weekly attendance went down from 1.08 million in 2009 to 852k in 2019. In 2015, it was reported that a quarter of their churches had less than 20 people a week going and that dropped to less than 10 in rural areas. The CofE represents about half of all Christians, so you could presumably double that total if you add the various other denominations to that. But for 15% of people to regularly go to church, you'd need 16 million people to go.

One figure you might get though is anyone who has been to church in the past year, and then you get the Easter and Christmas mass crowd, which is fair enough, but you also get anyone who goes to a funeral or wedding, which is a bit more disingenuous.

 

[Brightwell’s left peg]

I would prefer someone screwed in the head who cares about me over someone 100% sane/balanced/whatever you call it who does not give a shit.

However, my fundamental point was that all human organisations have corruption within them. Even in the highly enlightened and progressive brotherhood that we call City fans, there will be some paedos, wife-beaters, racists, gangsters - maybe even Tory MPs.

I don't know what percentage, but let's say 2% of City fans are reprobates. Does that mean the other 98% should be ashamed and reject City? Does that make them equally culpable? Does that mean following City s a kind of mental illness? When you think about it, it's scarcely rational to get excited about 22 millionaires kicking a ball around a field, but all of us do, don't we?

Funnily enough, life is not 100% rational and logical. We are human beings, not computers. And pretty much everyone (consciously or not) follows some kind of philosophy, all of which could be described as 'made up bollocks.'

I think we’re ships passing in the night mate. I’m not sure we’re disagreeing about anything in actuality.

You can also take solace in whatever you like.

Religious folk can also take solace in their god(s) of choice.

Doesn’t make any of it real though, and doesn’t mean I should give any of it an ounce of credit or credibility.

 

[Octavian]

There's no way 15% of the population regularly attend church. The CofE weekly attendance went down from 1.08 million in 2009 to 852k in 2019. In 2015, it was reported that a quarter of their churches had less than 20 people a week going and that dropped to less than 10 in rural areas. The CofE represents about half of all Christians, so you could presumably double that total if you add the various other denominations to that. But for 15% of people to regularly go to church, you'd need 16 million people to go.

One figure you might get though is anyone who has been to church in the past year, and then you get the Easter and Christmas mass crowd, which is fair enough, but you also get anyone who goes to a funeral or wedding, which is a bit more disingenuous.

Yeah good point and you’re right. I would just add though that attending church isn’t the only method of being ‘active’.