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paulsimpson said:
So if we look at words of Jesus in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We have only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be GOD." The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence/ being.
John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” This is a reference back to Exodus 3:14 when God revealed Himself as the “I AM.” in other words the being that always IS . Even outside time and space. The Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16). They knew what He was meaning to say.

His followers declared Him to be God. John repeats often the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). The WORD is translated as Logic i.e. Jesus ( Yeshua ,in Hebrew ) is the foundation of logic, thought ,reason, knowledge ( science) uniformity ,Mathematics etc. So these verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh.
Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus the Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God.

Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to" wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ" (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son He says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’”

Is Jesus God? — Jesus claimed to be God.

Take for example the words of Jesus in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33, emphasis added). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” This is a reference back to Exodus 3:14 when God revealed Himself as the “I AM.” The Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16).

Is Jesus God? — His followers declared Him to be God.

John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God.

Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus doesn’t correct him.
Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son He says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as God, showing that Jesus is indeed God.

In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. Beyond these, there are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus being God.

Is Jesus God? — The reason Jesus must be God.

The most important reason that Jesus must be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty and take the blame for every single sin/wrong done by every individual in the whole world. (1 John 2:2: "He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world" .
A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21 " For our sake he made him to be sin WHO KNEW NO SIN , so that in him we might become the righteousness of God") die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.So every time we do something wrong He got punished for it ( beaten beyond recognition, nails hammered through feet and hands , to the point of death) and His resurrection vindicates Him as victorious.

Is Jesus God? Yes. Jesus declared Himself to be God. His followers believed Him to be God. The provision of salvation only works if Jesus is God. Jesus is God incarnate, the eternal Alpha and Omega (Revelation 1:8 : “I am the Alpha ( Beginning ) and the Omega,(end) says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty and God our Savior (2 Peter 1:1: "Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ

He is coming again " on the clouds of heaven". Friend ,my Hope is you'd read the whole Bible and consider what Christ has done for us and is offering us all personally.
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which jesus are we having ? john's jesus who rightly should of been stoned immediately for claiming to be god which was completely against mosaic law
or the synoptic jesus who doesn't
you can't have them both
 
Fode N The Hole said:
I refer you back to my previous point.

You're can't be well to believe all this.

It’s okay that you may experience mental illness and want to kill yourself whilst carrying this child and resent raising them because they are a permanent reminder of your trauma but please think..... What Would Jesus Do?
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Focusing on the key issues the usual “hard cases” pushed by pro-abortionists go flat. What about the humanity of the unborn? Do they not have a say in their own death? Who is defending their right to live every single day? It is established from a medical point of view that the unborn really is human and also how bad the usual pro-abortion arguments are as we legitimately substitute “unborn baby” with a two-year-old (“2yo”) in the following arguments, therefore undercutting the gut-wrenching heart tugs that pro-abortionists use (the informal logical fallacy is argumentum ad misericordiam, Appeal to Pity):

A 2yo is so disruptive and causing such heartache for his solo mother that she wants him killed, and people support her “right to choose” to kill her own child in the following ways (paralleling many “pro-choice” arguments):

How dare you pass judgment on the woman, when you have no idea what she’s going through?

You’re a male, so you have no right to comment.

It’s the right of every 2yo to be wanted.

No one’s forcing you to kill your own 2yo.

Keep your church out of my home!

We’re not pro–killing-2yos, we’re pro-choice.

We want to make 2yo-killing safe, legal and rare.

If we make laws against this, then those who are rich enough will be able to hire a hit man to kill the toddler, while the poor could not afford this, so such laws would discriminate against the poor.

Unless you are prepared to adopt this child, you have no right to tell the mother that she should not kill her.

If we don’t make it possible for the mother to kill her 2yo safely, then she’ll do it unsafely and possibly put her own health in danger.

Laws against 2yo-killing would violate the woman’s right to privacy, which judges tell us is in the US Constitution.

It’s speciesist to give a Homo sapiens 2yo so much more protection than a chimpanzee 2yo.

You’re opposed to killing 2yos only because you’re a religious fanatic.

The child was conceived by incestuous rape, and her existence is a continual reminder to her mother of what happened, so she should die because of her father’s crime.

Stem cells could be harvested from this 2yo that could help cure many horrible diseases and disabilities—you religious fanatics want to stop this scientific research and cut off all hope of a cure for Alzheimer’s, heart disease, Parkinson’s, quadriplegia and diabetes.

Despite the pro-choice movement’s mantra of “women’s equality,” their ideas are a rebirth of the same demonic ideas that justified slavery, namely the dehumanization of an entire class of human beings based on randomly selected criteria for human value—criteria that is not value-giving in the first place.

So how do we account for this human equality that we all claim to care about? Only one way. Amidst our countless differences, there is only one thing that all human beings have in common: a shared human nature. If we don’t ground human value in our shared human nature, but rather in our differences, then we open the door to justifying all sorts of horrible actions to dehumanize others who don’t meet our subjective criteria.

If you care about human equality, the pro-life position is your only option because it says all human beings, whether born or unborn, are equal in value and dignity and ought to be treated as such.
So what would Jesus do?
Like He handled the adultery case ..
" ..Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” And again He bent down and wrote on the ground.
When they heard this, they began to go away one by one, beginning with the older ones, until only Jesus was left, with the woman standing there. Then Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are your accusers?Has no one condemned you?”
“No one, Lord,” she answered.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared.
" Now go and Sin No More"
The last line is important because He is pro life . See Psalm 139; Genesis 1:23 - " Go forth and Multiply "

God says that life is in His hands. He takes strong issue with those who believe they have the right to murder innocent children. In fact, God brought harsh judgment upon nations and Israel who offered their babies to false gods (2 Chronicles 28:3 - "and he made offerings in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom ( In Jerusalem) and burned his sons as an offering, according to the abominations of the nations whom the Lord drove out before the people of Israel."
Jeremiah 19:5- "They have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, which I did not command or decree, nor did it come into my mind"
Ezekiel 20:31- "When you present your gifts and offer up your children in fire, you defile yourselves with all your idols to this day")

Why do we imagine He is not equally outraged when we offer our babies to our gods of culture, money, fame, or convenience?
 
paulsimpson said:
Focusing on the key issues the usual “hard cases” pushed by pro-abortionists go flat. What about the humanity of the unborn? Do they not have a say in their own death? Who is defending their right to live every single day? It is established from a medical point of view that the unborn really is human and also how bad the usual pro-abortion arguments are as we legitimately substitute “unborn baby” with a two-year-old (“2yo”) in the following arguments, therefore undercutting the gut-wrenching heart tugs that pro-abortionists use (the informal logical fallacy is argumentum ad misericordiam, Appeal to Pity):

A 2yo is so disruptive and causing such heartache for his solo mother that she wants him killed, and people support her “right to choose” to kill her own child in the following ways (paralleling many “pro-choice” arguments):

How dare you pass judgment on the woman, when you have no idea what she’s going through?

You’re a male, so you have no right to comment.

It’s the right of every 2yo to be wanted.

No one’s forcing you to kill your own 2yo.

Keep your church out of my home!

We’re not pro–killing-2yos, we’re pro-choice.

We want to make 2yo-killing safe, legal and rare.

If we make laws against this, then those who are rich enough will be able to hire a hit man to kill the toddler, while the poor could not afford this, so such laws would discriminate against the poor.

Unless you are prepared to adopt this child, you have no right to tell the mother that she should not kill her.

If we don’t make it possible for the mother to kill her 2yo safely, then she’ll do it unsafely and possibly put her own health in danger.

Laws against 2yo-killing would violate the woman’s right to privacy, which judges tell us is in the US Constitution.

It’s speciesist to give a Homo sapiens 2yo so much more protection than a chimpanzee 2yo.

You’re opposed to killing 2yos only because you’re a religious fanatic.

The child was conceived by incestuous rape, and her existence is a continual reminder to her mother of what happened, so she should die because of her father’s crime.

Stem cells could be harvested from this 2yo that could help cure many horrible diseases and disabilities—you religious fanatics want to stop this scientific research and cut off all hope of a cure for Alzheimer’s, heart disease, Parkinson’s, quadriplegia and diabetes.

Despite the pro-choice movement’s mantra of “women’s equality,” their ideas are a rebirth of the same demonic ideas that justified slavery, namely the dehumanization of an entire class of human beings based on randomly selected criteria for human value—criteria that is not value-giving in the first place.

So how do we account for this human equality that we all claim to care about? Only one way. Amidst our countless differences, there is only one thing that all human beings have in common: a shared human nature. If we don’t ground human value in our shared human nature, but rather in our differences, then we open the door to justifying all sorts of horrible actions to dehumanize others who don’t meet our subjective criteria.

If you care about human equality, the pro-life position is your only option because it says all human beings, whether born or unborn, are equal in value and dignity and ought to be treated as such.
So what would Jesus do?
Like He handled the adultery case ..
" ..Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” And again He bent down and wrote on the ground.
When they heard this, they began to go away one by one, beginning with the older ones, until only Jesus was left, with the woman standing there. Then Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are your accusers?Has no one condemned you?”
“No one, Lord,” she answered.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared.
" Now go and Sin No More"
The last line is important because He is pro life . See Psalm 139; Genesis 1:23 - " Go forth and Multiply "

God says that life is in His hands. He takes strong issue with those who believe they have the right to murder innocent children. In fact, God brought harsh judgment upon nations and Israel who offered their babies to false gods (2 Chronicles 28:3 - "and he made offerings in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom ( In Jerusalem) and burned his sons as an offering, according to the abominations of the nations whom the Lord drove out before the people of Israel."
Jeremiah 19:5- "They have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, which I did not command or decree, nor did it come into my mind"
Ezekiel 20:31- "When you present your gifts and offer up your children in fire, you defile yourselves with all your idols to this day")

Why do we imagine He is not equally outraged when we offer our babies to our gods of culture, money, fame, or convenience?
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No one has talked about or advocated for infanticide you blithering idiot.

I'll state it one last time, go see a doctor you aren't well.
 
If God is real then he created

Polar bears
Sand sharks
Rabbits
Hamsters
Scorpians
Bears
Chickens
And many more

All of these creatures of god are known to kill and sometimes eat their children, so I doubt he fucking cares what the fuck we do either.
 
tonea2003 said:
which jesus are we having ? john's jesus who rightly should of been stoned immediately for claiming to be god which was completely against mosaic law
or the synoptic jesus who doesn't
you can't have them both
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If you look down you'll see I've included the synoptic Gospels of Matthew and Luke where Jesus receives worship. But there are others where He is seen as God in the flesh.
Matt 2:11 -" And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh."
Matt 14:33 - And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
Matt 28:9 ,17 - And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him........
17 - when they saw him they worshiped him
Luke 24:52
they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy,
Mark 8:29 - But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?
Peter answered, “You are the Christ.”
He accepted worship which does show His divinity .
The Bible is clear about the divine nature of the Lord Jesus Christ , Ha Mashiach , the Messiah (see John 1:1-14). Philippians 2:6-7 says that, although Jesus was "in very nature God, He did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness." Colossians 2:9 says, “In Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.”
He is sinless Hebrews 4:15 - we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin."
Because Jesus did not have a human father, He did not inherit a sin nature. He possessed the divine nature from His Heavenly Father.
He fulfilled over three hundred prophecies about the Messiah that God, through the prophets, had foretold (Matthew 4:13-14; Luke 22:37; Isaiah 53; Micah 5:2) Jesus was the final, perfect sacrifice that satisfied forever God’s wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:14). His divine nature made Him fit for the work of Redeemer; His human body allowed Him to shed the blood necessary to redeem. No human being with a sin nature could pay such a debt of taking on to Himself every single sin we have ever done. No one else could meet the requirements to become the sacrifice for the sins of the whole world (Matthew 26:28; 1 John 2:2). If Jesus were merely a good man as some claim, then He had a sin nature and was not perfect. In that case, His death and resurrection would have no power to save anyone.Because Jesus was God in the flesh, He alone could pay the debt we owed to God.His victory over death and the grave won the paradise of heaven for everyone who puts their trust in Him (John 1:12; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, 17) All it takes is admission by us that we've done things that are not good and that He has paid the price for us , taken the blame for those things in the greatest act of Love. That allows the miracle of the Holy Spirit to come.
 
urban genie said:
If God is real then he created

Polar bears
Sand sharks
Rabbits
Hamsters
Scorpians
Bears
Chickens
And many more

All of these creatures of god are known to kill and sometimes eat their children, so I doubt he fucking cares what the fuck we do either.
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Correction to previous errata.
All creatures were vegetarian PRE -FALL . Read the book of Genesis
 
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paulsimpson said:
Infanticide is currently taking place in the womb . It is unreasonable to see that these pre-borns do suffer.
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Have you got a big enough extension? Maybe you can care for them all in your house. Or stop living your life to a rigid nonsensical doctrine that's completely incoherent because it was created from the musings of many different people.

Are you an offshoot of the Phelps family?

 
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