Religion

[arfurclue]

That’s a fair point to make but I saw the vague style and vagueness of the views you seemed to have as intrinsically linked. The former representing a shadow of the latter.

That’s a fair point too :) Yes there is a time when going from a rigid ‘I know and it’s this’ to a ‘I don’t know but it feels like there is something to explore here’ - hopefully opening to deeper insight- and I can see that this middle part may well come across as vague. Maybe I should leave that part out but fuck it, it all feels part of it. And if people write here in a way that may help me move from the first part to the second, then that doesn’t seem like such a bad thing. Still ‘might’ not end up agreeing with them but such is life :)

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

none of the church fathers prior to 3 centuries after jesus, mentioned the father and the son as being equally. it was mentioned in the 4th century. why did it take so long to make both god and jesus in the same bracket?

Because religions are subject to their own "evolutionary pressures", don't confuse that with being locked in a direction towards progressivism, what I mean is that they face internal and external threats that force them to adapt or die out. Conflating god and jesus was probably a very powerful and persuasive idea at the time it was created.

It is why Wilford Woodruff and the main branch of mormonism publicly disowned polygamy.

There aren't any "Jewish Christians" around anymore, because that sect didn't adapt to change and competitors and died out.

The Shakers are down to 3 members.
Their members don't believe in procreation, so they could become extinct very soon.

Shakers - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Theology and Philosophy in Secular University
Not a minister

Online only or just a private American university? :)

 

[tonea2003]

none of the church fathers prior to 3 centuries after jesus, mentioned the father and the son as being equally. it was mentioned in the 4th century. why did it take so long to make both god and jesus in the same bracket?

you are right to a point, but the gospel attributed to john(written maybe early 2nd century), the jesus in this version has no problem saying he is god, he is constantly is saying it i.e 10:30 and should have been stoned to death (they did try but not very hard it appears as he talks to them and they seem to stop)
which incidentally is in complete opposition to the synoptics

 

[idahoblues]

It is Brigham Young and the main branch of mormonism disowned polygamy.

It’s still alive and kicking

 

[Octavian]

Because religions are subject to their own "evolutionary pressures", don't confuse that with being locked in a direction towards progressivism, what I mean is that they face internal and external threats that force them to adapt or die out. Conflating god and jesus was probably a very powerful and persuasive idea at the time it was created.

It is why Brigham Young and the main branch of mormonism disowned polygamy.

There aren't any "Jewish Christians" around anymore, because that sect didn't adapt to change and competitors and died out.

The Shakers are down to 3 members.
Their members don't believe in procreation, so they could become extinct very soon.

Shakers - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

There’s quite a few Jewish Christians to be fair. Using several definitions of that term.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

There’s quite a few Jewish Christians to be fair. Using several definitions of that term.

Excuse my ignorance, but are Judaism and Christianity not at odds with each other?
Can you be Jewish and Christian?
I understand initially there were Jews who thought Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, but now?
Are the two ideologies compatible?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

It’s still alive and kicking

Indeed, I wasn't under the impression that it wasn't practiced anymore, because there's still plenty of pervy and old fashioned men looking to take advantage of their "cultural heritage". And these kind of events usually lead to a schism and a new sect.

I've edited my post, I'd sloppily assumed it was Brigham Young from memory and not bothered to check.

Point was that they bent to the political pressure of the US in order to join the union.

I hear they even let black people into their church nowadays.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

There’s quite a few Jewish Christians to be fair. Using several definitions of that term.

Touché, but I meant the "Jewish Christians" that split when early Christianity accepted non-jews or their directly descended sects, not revivalists. Substitute it for Gnostics, you get the point.

 

[idahoblues]

Indeed, I wasn't under the impression that it wasn't practiced anymore, because there's still plenty of pervy and old fashioned men looking to take advantage of their "cultural heritage". And these kind of events usually lead to a schism and a new sect.

I've edited my post, I'd sloppily assumed it was Brigham Young from memory and. not bothered to check.

Point was that they bent to the political pressure of the US in order to join the union.

I hear they even let black people into their church nowadays.

I understand, you’re right