Religion

I do have badges from the scouts if that helps. Plus, I could provide a hundred people who would fall over each other to testify to my being a thoroughly brilliant human being.

Sadly, they are all on holiday, but they exist. :)
heh...anyhow beyond this debate, I'm more like 'what the fuck happened to america the brave' seems much more like...I dunno, will let you fill in those words. That kind of 'christianity' is....
If you mean ‘botting each other’ yes I agree with you
hope your back's well - free from pain. Wouldn't want to try something 'woo-woo' if I were you - even if it worked, it's surely much more important to keep an image of being a 'tough guy' on here?
 
heh...anyhow beyond this debate, I'm more like 'what the fuck happened to america the brave' seems much more like...I dunno, will let you fill in those words. That kind of 'christianity' is....

hope your back's well - free from pain. Wouldn't want to try something 'woo-woo' if I were you - even if it worked, it's surely much more important to keep an image of being a 'tough guy' on here?
Pwopper naughty me, thanks for inquiring about the back, better than it’s been in a long time. Regular stretching, massage and the odd bit of acupuncture really seems to be helping
 
I think we all feel stress and you’re right it’s how we react to it. I also have suffered from depression from time to time and my early reaction to it made it worse.

I now realise that my brain is wired this way and at times I take a dip, but rather than fight it, I go with the flow and it never gets as bad. It’s just a down time and much more manageable.

You do whatever makes you happy mate. I believe in a skeptical approach to claims of other worldly stuff. I am always open to evidence but not personal experience stuff. That is not enough for me at least. Abd especially other people’s.

Scientist will say, we don’t know about many things. New Age types, religious etc always and I mean always have an answer. An interpretation straight out of their or somebody else’s arse. That’s just not on. If these things are real, then why apart from personal feelings or faith can’t tgey be measured or even witnessed?

Live long and prosper my friend.
Good stuff. When I speak of mystery then perhaps the greatest mystery is often that which is denied within - both 'dark' and 'light' aspects. Now, writing about this on here might not win popularity contests. Makes sense. If what is written touches on stuff that people choose to ignore/try to shut down/secretly dislike inside, then chances are it will be similarly unwelcomed outside. But this thread is about religion and so there can be a question 'what is holy?' For me it is not so much about going to church and listening to someone
els's interpretation of a book. It is more about going through a process of opening to to and moving through what has been denied within - coming to feel a greater sense of ''wholeness.' I might call this a different kind of maturation process, that can come to be known through many different ways - the idea that the church/organised religion somehow has a monopoly on this is, well, not for me.

Beyond that, folk have been writing about the flat earth thing. Not my cup of tea but at the same time people throwing sticks and stones? Really? What does that prove to anyone? And the strange thing for me here is that I find that some seem to effectively insist that folk live by the 'rules' of denial - which feels like living life in a way that is somehow lacking a dimension. Would I want to prove this? Not really - if people want to find out they will, if they don't they won't. Having said that I do find that some pieces of music,writing and art can have more depth than others...

What is real has to be measurable? Ok - where do 'you' begin and where do you end? Are you just this body (if you, say, lose your hand or have a heart transplant are you still you?) or are you also your mind, emotions, beliefs, stories, memories, personality, a way of moving, stillness, silence, a name, a nationality, a series of numbers stored on various data systems (think identity theft)? What is the definition of 'you' and does it change - if it does change is it really you or...? So, fuck it. Too much stuff for me to understand, so I just try to find a way through life as best I can. That seems to have involved questioning heaps of things/ideas/people - maybe like a skeptic? Is this the 'right' way? I'm not sure 'one right way for everyone' actually exists and if it does then how do you really measure it?
 
Beyond that, folk have been writing about the flat earth thing. Not my cup of tea but at the same time people throwing sticks and stones? Really? What does that prove to anyone? And the strange thing for me here is that I find that some seem to effectively insist that folk live by the 'rules' of denial - which feels like living life in a way that is somehow lacking a dimension. Would I want to prove this? Not really - if people want to find out they will, if they don't they won't. Having said that I do find that some pieces of music,writing and art can have more depth than others...

People's problem with Flat Earth isn't that they don't believe them, it's that they are picking and choosing science to accept and ignore. It's a conclusion looking for evidence rather than vice versa. And it's extremely easily measurable, we've measured the Earths curvature for 3000 years.

What is real has to be measurable? Ok - where do 'you' begin and where do you end? Are you just this body (if you, say, lose your hand or have a heart transplant are you still you?) or are you also your mind, emotions, beliefs, stories, memories, personality, a way of moving, stillness, silence, a name, a nationality, a series of numbers stored on various data systems (think identity theft)? What is the definition of 'you' and does it change - if it does change is it really you or...? So, fuck it. Too much stuff for me to understand, so I just try to find a way through life as best I can. That seems to have involved questioning heaps of things/ideas/people - maybe like a skeptic? Is this the 'right' way? I'm not sure 'one right way for everyone' actually exists and if it does then how do you really measure it?

That's the Ship of Thebes argument. For all intents and purposes it doesn't matter where you measure you. The concept of you is personal and not very interesting scientifically because it's unfalsifiable.

Science is interested in determining the nature of reality as best it can. The scientific method is the best way we have of doing this. If people want to live their lives using other methodologies on determining reality then that's perfectly fine - but you don't get to call it science or scientific.
 
Hey snorky. Do you subscribe to the theories of a multiverse? Might not exist but maybe, just maybe, there is a universe within this in which arfur
is not such a c*nt? I might happily call this the 'snorkyverse' if that be alright by you?
If you mean ‘botting each other’ yes I agree with you

I do indeed Arf. Thank you.
I think the more common terminology would allude to you both obtaining a room Idaho.
 
People's problem with Flat Earth isn't that they don't believe them, it's that they are picking and choosing science to accept and ignore. It's a conclusion looking for evidence rather than vice versa. And it's extremely easily measurable, we've measured the Earths curvature for 3000 years.



That's the Ship of Thebes argument. For all intents and purposes it doesn't matter where you measure you. The concept of you is personal and not very interesting scientifically because it's unfalsifiable.

Science is interested in determining the nature of reality as best it can. The scientific method is the best way we have of doing this. If people want to live their lives using other methodologies on determining reality then that's perfectly fine - but you don't get to call it science or scientific.
Thanks. Fair points. I am curious as to this though "The scientific method is the best way we have of doing this." How can we know it is the 'best' way? A way, for sure - but, for me at least, I have seen so many version of 'my way is the best' that I began to question this. Maybe there is not one single 'best way' but rather the way that is best for each being in each moment? And would it be acceptable to look for any possible weaknesses in a model, so that it might evolve? If I were to call myself a scientist - and I don't - would it be acceptable to question whether life functions the same outside of controlled conditions as it does within them? In a way, is it possible that the choice for control itself can affect results? I don't know - maybe this is just my ignorance. If so, that is okay too.

Edit : Just a further thought. Might this be a question of how humanity finds its way through this world? In this sense, some might choose to orientate themselves through a set of beliefs others might choose to orientate themselves primarily through a state of being? Not that either is particularly better or worse than the others but they will have different approaches to life and the question of truth?
 
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Thanks. Fair points. I am curious as to this though "The scientific method is the best way we have of doing this." How can we know it is the 'best' way? A way, for sure - but, for me at least, I have seen so many version of 'my way is the best' that I began to question this. Maybe there is not one single 'best way' but rather the way that is best for each being in each moment? And would it be acceptable to look for any possible weaknesses in a model, so that it might evolve? If I were to call myself a scientist - and I don't - would it be acceptable to question whether life functions the same outside of controlled conditions as it does within them? In a way, is it possible that the choice for control itself can affect results? I don't know - maybe this is just my ignorance. If so, that is okay too.

Edit : Just a further thought. Might this be a question of how humanity finds its way through this world? In this sense, some might choose to orientate themselves through a set of beliefs others might choose to orientate themselves primarily through a state of being? Not that either is particularly better or worse than the others but they will have different approaches to life and the question of truth?

Well it produces the most reliability with the least amount of chaos.

The scientific method is badly understood most of the time, but it can be best summed up by two phrases - predictable and repeatable. Every hypothesis has to be able to pass those caveats; it must predict an event and then produce that event in such a way that others can replicate it. This is the democratisation of the human experience, you have to be able to replicate my findings and vice versa, it requires no "trust" in people. People are generally the thing that causes most of the problems in science.

It's why we call it the best as every experiment is self evidently true when shown to be true and if somebody disagrees then they follow the process and see if it is replicated.

There's many thinkers who look at weaknesses within the scientific method and like any model it does have a few. However like the saying goes about capitalism, it's not perfect, it's just better than all of the alternatives.
 

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