Repercussions - From the PL, FA, UEFA and within the Club

[Protein Junkie]

Because they are desperate.Perez saying football will be dead without ESL is stupid. What he actually means is that Real Madrid are skint and will have no money by 2024. The chicKen’s are coming home to roost and he can see it, they have spent and borrowed too much for too long.

And if he got his way the wheels would just go around and around until the day they are skint once more.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

This sort of stuff makes me weep. Just because we (we being football fans of all clubs) won a battle with ESL, there is going to be a war. Anybody who thinks this is over, and I’m not talking about halfwits talking about sanctions from bodies that haven’t been wronged, is sadly mistaken. As has been mentioned Project Big Picture was a matter of months ago. Unless the government, UEFA, broadcasters and fans get their act together we will lose the war. Every time 14 clubs meet with The Premier League to demand CEO’s resign, or get points punishment, every time a Jermaine Jenas or Bryan Swanson spouts their bile, another Big Picture or ESL gets closer.

Well said. It is inevitable that the way football is operated will change. You can't uninvent the technology which makes it easy for clubs to broadcast their own matches online and keep the revenue instead of being dominated by broadcasters and a corrupt body like UEFA. But it doesn't mean we have to end up with a model where 15 clubs run everything either. The crucial thing is that fans have a say in the way the new structure is set up as the sport evolves.
It shouldn't be impossible to arrive at an agreed position where the clubs accept independent regulation as part of their licence to operate (UEFA becomes a sort of global OFCOM); where the clubs get more control of broadcasting their own product but not in a way which destroys competition; and in a way which prevents closed shop competitions and preserves a fair pyramid structure.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

https://reclaimourgame.com/

we need government to get involved in this. If they get behind this the clubs can’t do anything. We need fan representation at our club and every other club

I would never support a 50+1 proposal as it operates in Germany. It is a model that has failed in Germany and would be a disaster for English football. What happened at Leicester City could not happen in Germany for example. All it does is pander to those clubs with the historically biggest fanbases and encourages cartels. The fan ownership schemes have also been a disaster in Spain and made the league there less competitive.
The PL became a successful league precisely because it has been able to attract investment from across the world. Finally in the last few seasons we have started to see the fruits of investment here in youth football. England has the best young players in the world at the moment. That would not have happened without external investment. Germany has gone backwards.
The last people to get involved in football should be the Government (of any political persuasion) Politicians have done virtually nothing to improve football for decades. I trust politicians even less than club owners.

 

[blueparrot]

I would never support a 50+1 proposal as it operates in Germany. It is a model that has failed in Germany and would be a disaster for English football. What happened at Leicester City could not happen in Germany for example. All it does is pander to those clubs with the historically biggest fanbases and encourages cartels. The fan ownership schemes have also been a disaster in Spain and made the league there less competitive.
The PL became a successful league precisely because it has been able to attract investment from across the world. Finally in the last few seasons we have started to see the fruits of investment here in youth football. England has the best young players in the world at the moment. That would not have happened without external investment. Germany has gone backwards.
The last people to get involved in football should be the Government (of any political persuasion) Politicians have done virtually nothing to improve football for decades. I trust politicians even less than club owners.

Couldn't agree more. we may have issues that need fixing but don't think any of the alternative models on the continent stand up that well. Those harking back to how it was are wasting their time,those days are gone. We need to fix some things but it won't be by uninventing things. I don't have the answers but it will be evovlution from where we are not regression.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

As an overseas fan of Man City - and one who was 100% opposed to the superleague concept - and furthermore - who believes that our management reluctantly decided to join the supposed superleague in the mistaken belief that it would come to fruition - then for me - 100% - our management did nothing wrong - we appear to have been drawn into this mess - and were reluctant to sign up - but we seemed to have no choice.

No repercussions for our club seem to be in order.

The main perpetrators seem to be Real Madrid, Man United and Liverpool.

It's not clear to me how to punish these culprits without punishing us at the same time - we seem to have been at best luke warm to the superleague - and seem to have joined simply because we thought that not doing so might very well render us irrelevant.

 

[Eccles Blue]

Like @TheBlueDune I have received surveys, in the plural, and have always answered/completed them. So if that is the clubs way of consulting with the fans I’ve been consulted.

This past week is the only time EVER when I have felt glad to be getting older. It means I’ve had the bad and the good times with City and I probably won’t be around for the fight that obviously lies ahead. Plus I won’t be around for when they say fans are no longer the life blood of the game! It’s coming but I hope it isn’t for a long time but for once my glass is not half full. Sad times, sad times. :-(

 

[City Man]

thank you for that.

I guess that most of us will never get to know much of what is going on in such matters.

The Johnson-Woodward meeting about crowd return is a rat that smells. Once that formal meetiing was over I can see Woodward drawing Johnson aside to brief him informally on what was coming down the line and expressing the hope that Government would not wish to get involved. And no doubt getting the nod from Johnson. And reporting back to Perez and Agnelli. But forgetting it was Johnson he was dealing with who changes his stance with the wind. Which he did with his "legislative bomb".

Credibility shot with the ESL and chucked under the bus by Johnson, Woodward reckons his time with football is done and resigns.

 

[bluevillain]

Not saying I agree at all with this ESL bollocks. But Rat boy Neville going all Che Guevara is comical. I remember growing up when football was more unpredictable, I.e league or cup winners. But around the Prem era, I do recall thinking what’s the point as there was zero hope it was our year for any trophy win, when the Sky 4 dominated.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Couldn't agree more. we may have issues that need fixing but don't think any of the alternative models on the continent stand up that well. Those harking back to how it was are wasting their time,those days are gone. We need to fix some things but it won't be by uninventing things. I don't have the answers but it will be evovlution from where we are not regression.

Fans owning football clubs does not always lead to success. Often they are too passionate and emotional to make good decisions. Peter Swales was a City fan...that didn't end well. Of course supporters must have a strong role embedded with any clubs. We need cheaper ticket prices, better kick-off times, proper use of VAR etc etc.

Like @TheBlueDune I have received surveys, in the plural, and have always answered/completed them. So if that is the clubs way of consulting with the fans I’ve been consulted.

This past week is the only time EVER when I have felt glad to be getting older. It means I’ve had the bad and the good times with City and I probably won’t be around for the fight that obviously lies ahead. Plus I won’t be around for when they say fans are no longer the life blood of the game! It’s coming but I hope it isn’t for a long time but for once my glass is not half full. Sad times, sad times. :-(

The fans will always be the life's blood (cash cow) but it may be the digital ones not the matchgoers. I agree that we have probably had the best of it.

 

[blueparrot]

Fans owning football clubs does not always lead to success. Often they are too passionate and emotional to make good decisions. Peter Swales was a City fan...that didn't end well. Of course supporters must have a strong role embedded with any clubs. We need cheaper ticket prices, better kick-off times, proper use of VAR etc etc.

The fans will always be the life's blood (cash cow) but it may be the digital ones not the matchgoers. I agree that we have probably had the best of it.

Agree with the first point, not sure about the second, I think covid has shown the TV companies they need fuul grounds to make it a spectacle. Audiences may have stayed this season because we have no choice during covid. Unless they get fans back though, fix VAR then tv audiences and revenue will dwindle.
One of the biggest issues with C/L is the lack of interest and TV veiwers for the vast majority of group games.It's in part what has led us to where we are with fiddling around and setting up breakaways to increase interest in the C/l. Both UEFA re vamping and the ESL were the wrong answer, but fans involvement has to be part of the answer.