Respect for Referees

[Azblue90]

Respect needs to be there.
It's what you teach kids at the youngest level. They have to respect the ref. The older they get the more difficult it becomes, but at every level, no matter how justified it is, it is neccesary. The game wouldn't function without refs.

If the FA were really bothered about this, they'd forget all the fancy posters and enforced handshakes, and actually deal with the root cause of the problem. There should be zero tolerance at all levels of the game.

I tried my hand at rugby as a kid and, being a football lad, shouted 'Oh come on ref' when he gave something against my team. The very public bollocking I got from both the ref and the manager still lives with me today!! Yet much worse is heard on football pitches all over the country.

It will take a generation to clean it all up, but as kids copy what they see on TV, an effort at least has to be made to sort out the behaviour of the pros. The rugby approach should be enforced, with yellow cards handed out for ANY dissent and red cards for verbally abusing the referee or crowding round him. They'd soon pack it in. Although we've been saying that for at least 10 years now and the authorities still haven't had the balls to deal with it.

I'd also like to see the referees being much less chummy with the players they are officiating. I know it was done to ingratiate the refs more into the game and make them more approachable, but it's failed and (predictably) the players have just taken the piss. There's nothing more pathetic in this world than seeing the man who is supposed to be in charge of the game shouting 'JT', 'Scholesy', 'Johnno', 'Carlos' while the player in question studiously ignores him and runs off in the opposite direction. It makes them look like desperate fucking groupies FFS. The players should be referred to only by their shirt numbers.

And that's another thing; the players should go to the referee when called, not the other way round. "No. 10, come here." And if he doesn't, he's booked immediately. And if he starts backing away before the ref has finished talking to him and indicated that he can go, then he's booked again. These guys are meant to be in charge of the game; but you'd never guess that looking in from the outside. They look more like fawning little schoolgirls desperate for a bit of attention from their idols.

Footballers are generally an immature, obnoxious, insolent bunch with shit for brains and superiority complexes that are off the scale. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile; that's just the kind of people they tend to be. You certainly can't trust them to get on with things and regulate their own behviour accordingly. So treat them like the idiotic little school children they really are.

The current generation of pros will have to have 'respect' enforced through yellow and red cards, but eventually it will become the default setting in football, just as it is in rugby.

This.
Words mean nothing, it's actions that speak the loudest.
All this fair play and respect thing will never work until rules are put in place so that it has to happen.
Rugby is a good example.

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I've seen bad decisions in football, bad tackles etc that are followed by players swarming the ref.
It's not acceptable.
Now people go on about refs and claiming that players try to get other players sent off. Now I think that's ridiculous I think refs know what decision they are going to make regardless of what happens afterwards, but they shouldn't be in the situation where players surround them.
I've seen poor decisions being made in rugby but I've never seen players surround a ref. A ref makes a call poor or not but the players go straight off regardless of what they think.

I doubt you could find any video on youtube where a rugby player reacts in a way that a footballer does when a poor decision is made.
Regardless of how bad it was.

In my opinion if there is an incident, like in rugby, only the captain may approach the ref and really then, it's only when they are called.
Either to be given a warning message to their team or if the ref has to deal with one of their players and in that case but the player who is in trouble and the captain speak to the ref.
Any mouthing off results in yards lost and a penalty is moved forward.

Ridiculous decisions have been made time and time again in every game at every level, no matter what sport.
The difference is how the players react.
It's second nature for a rugby player to take the decision and leave the pitch, regardless of how bad the call was.
It's second nature for footballers to surround the ref and whinge. And there in lies the problem. Nobody, at a level that matters, seems to think there's a problem with this.

 

[trublue55]

Re: Respect for Referees and Assistant referees

Bearing in mind what Baconface had to say about Kompany`s red card along the lines of "he`s got previous, wasnt the first, and wont be the last time....."

I wonder if someone else with "previous" might be in trouble with regards to his post match interview on Sky tonight.

No idea how to post links, but claims they should have had 4 penalties and a red card for the "foul" on Pele Welbeck, claimed it was unbelievable the assistant didnt see them as he was close, but has in the past given 2 pens at the swamp from 45 yards away. Quote "i dont blame Howard Webb..............(then re lino...) i dont know where they get them from"

If he`s not, he bloody well should be, but dont hold your breath

 

[DTeacher]

 

[marcoboogers]

Brilliant.well said

 

[waspish]

We respect them and get fuck all the scum don't and get every fucking thing going

 

[andrewmswift]

scholes sure showed some respect when he yelled at webb to fuck off, plain as day on tv

 

[Balti]

the game has moved beyond the traditional way of refereeing. the referee needs to be backed up with the same tools that the tv commentators have i.e. replays

in the west ham/ millwall game this weekend west ham were given a goal which should have been struck off. when the ref gets it so obviously wrong why not let the ref's tv assistant over-rule him from the stands and amend the score/ decision accordingly?

more often than not this could be done while the players are surrounding the ref or taking whatever action resulted from the decision, so I don't believe it would eat up much additional time

by the time millwall were restarting the decision could have been announced and the scoreboard reverted to the score before the incorrect decision by the ref, for example

better that than being beat only to find out that the ref got it wrong again

titles/ promotions/ relegations/ trips to wembley etc all being affected by the often incorrect decisions of the referee when help is available via the use of technology

hard to respect them when they get it wrong so often

 

[trublue55]

Dont know if people simply couldnt care less about baconface, but the point i was trying to make was, he is slagging off officials again (irrespective of the merits of the decisions), and the last time (of many) he did this, he was banned from the touchline.

So logically for a very similar offence expect the same result, (or not??)

 

[Paladin]

Re: Re: Respect for Referees

Dont know if people simply couldnt care less about baconface, but the point i was trying to make was, he is slagging off officials again (irrespective of the merits of the decisions), and the last time (of many) he did this, he was banned from the touchline.

So logically for a very similar offence expect the same result, (or not??)

My thoughts also. Wasn't he reported to be commenting before the game about referees as well? Not a mention in the media about any of this.

 

[Castiel]

It should me made law that only captains can speak to referees, punishable by automatic cards. The amount of ridiculous free kicks Webb gave outside Chelsea's box, which he wasn't going to give until Rooney got in his face (just like Kompany's red), was just ridiculous. That almost pisses me off more than the penalties.

I have more sympathy over what happened to Kompany after that. The way he's screaming at the referee for every call is certainly having an effect. The delays between the event and the decision speak to that. Webb hasn't even got a chance to think straight with the constant barrage of overreacted bitching he must get over 90 minutes. It must be like having 11 screaming kids in your ear while you're trying to watch the news. Maybe he's perceived as corrupt when he's really just more open to suggestion.

NB: I'm aware Mourinho's Chelsea did this too and I didn't like it then either. Nor do I like Barca doing it.