Rishi Sunak

[west didsblue]

His and Labours position was the exact same, they would have scrapped it and promised much like the Tories some fancy incarnation of the next Northern transport project that we know will get scrapped or scaled back.

The world knew it was being scrapped, at no point did Labour say a vote for them would ensure that HS2 in its entirety would be built.

That in my book is the exact same position and by the day, Starmer, Reaves and the Labour Party look and sound very much like a traditional Conservative Party.

You reckon Labour had a shopping list of already completed or authorised projects that they would have pretended was being funded by HS2 savings like Sunak just has?

I know you’re desperate to make out that there’s no difference between Labour and Sunak’s version of the Tories but that’s ridiculous.

 

[mosssideblue]

Jesus.

I make a single comment on Starmer for the first time in weeks, if not months (which appears to have hit a nerve by the way), and all of a sudden he’s living rent free in my head.

Meanwhile you lot spend what appears to be at least 18 hours a day everyday maintaining a constant stream of vitriol against Sunak, using the most disgusting and frankly embarrassing language in the process, and presumably that’s all part of a positive, balanced and above all healthy outlook?

You couldn’t make it up and, in fact, you wouldn’t want to.

Are you still supporting Sunak after all this ?
Frankly, he deserves all the vitriol he gets, and more

 

[BobKowalski]

His and Labours position was the exact same, they would have scrapped it and promised much like the Tories some fancy incarnation of the next Northern transport project that we know will get scrapped or scaled back.

The world knew it was being scrapped, at no point did Labour say a vote for them would ensure that HS2 in its entirety would be built.

That in my book is the exact same position and by the day, Starmer, Reaves and the Labour Party look and sound very much like a traditional Conservative Party.

Firstly, there was cross party consensus on the need for HS2. It needed consensus because projects like this are never overly popular (although when built we then wonder how we did without them) and have to be immune from Govt changes.

Secondly. the Tories are now setting fire to the project, ensuring that if resurrected it will be even more costly, thereby giving them a stick to beat a future Govt with and also create a dividing line during an election campaign. Starmer is declining to give them that stick.

Sunak is opting for grievance and identity politics as the Tories default mode and for that they need to salt the earth as much as possible. This childish insistence on believing that Labour/Starmer are just Tories - a view very much in vogue on the far left - is tedious and wrong. For once, and for a change, can you kindly stop talking out of your arse?

 

[blueinsa]

You reckon Labour had a shopping list of already completed or authorised projects that they would have pretended was being funded by HS2 savings like Sunak just has?

I know you’re desperate to make out that there’s no difference between Labour and Sunak’s version of the Tories but that’s ridiculous.

His and the parties silence said it all.

They had no intention whatsoever of completing HS2. If they had, they would have said so and instead, they hide behind centuries of the exact same political excuse that blames previous government policy and how they can’t go back.

Literally every major fuck up this shit Tory government has made, Starmer and the Labour Party are committed to carrying on, including Brexit.

Is it any wonder why some then say what they say about him?

Sunak is a ****, Starmer has a choice not to be one and so far, the signs are not great he won’t be the same.

 

[BobKowalski]

Jesus.

I make a single comment on Starmer for the first time in weeks, if not months (which appears to have hit a nerve by the way), and all of a sudden he’s living rent free in my head.

Meanwhile you lot spend what appears to be at least 18 hours a day everyday maintaining a constant stream of vitriol against Sunak, using the most disgusting and frankly embarrassing language in the process, and presumably that’s all part of a positive, balanced and above all healthy outlook?

You couldn’t make it up and, in fact, you wouldn’t want to.

Only 18 hours? Given the speed and extant to which Sunak is fucking up it should be 24 hours.

On HS2 Cameron and Johnson have both trashed Sunak’s decision - how do your tiny Tory brains cope with the constant whiplash as your party lurches from one barmy decision to another, with each decision contradicting the last one? Fancy digging up tweets from the current Chancellor on how HS2 is essential for growth and levelling up?

Instead of whining, try thinking.

 

[inbetween]

You reckon Labour had a shopping list of already completed or authorised projects that they would have pretended was being funded by HS2 savings like Sunak just has?

I know you’re desperate to make out that there’s no difference between Labour and Sunak’s version of the Tories but that’s ridiculous.

I don't think any of these politicians have the foresight or ability to see beyond the next election let alone something like a 10 year plan of investment. Infrastructure projects typically last longer than the term of a government and so none of them will really commit to much, not that they're capable of making those decisions anyway.

We saw it in Sunak's speech this week, he cancelled the Manchester leg of HS2 and said the Tories will redirect that money to 'something', well what is that something? It's actually nothing because they have no idea. Labour are no different, they just have an anti-whatever-the-Tories-said policy but no actual specific infrastructure policy.

What will really happen is Labour will get in and several years will be spent in pointless committees where relatively little will be decided. They'll then get booted out and we're back with the Tories. The whole thing is a carousel where essentially very little if anything gets achieved.

Basically all politicians are arseholes and politics itself is just a pit of poison. It's just really sad that these morons are the gatekeepers for projects that could really help people. I just wish they would just give the money and power to clever people that care who will act on that basis alone and not on the basis of getting one over on the other party.

 

[Vic]

That’s right, yes, I’m a fascist for pointing out that Starmer isn’t that keen on HS2, and for questioning how simply adopting the government’s new transport plans with barely a whimper is holding the government to account.

I'm not calling you a fascist, or calling Sunak a fascist for cancelling HS2. Fascists made the trains run on time (and Hitler built lots of infrastructure...).

But anyone who cheers Braverman and the PM who doesn't sack her is an enabler. Fellow-traveller even.

 

[BobKowalski]

I don't think any of these politicians have the foresight or ability to see beyond the next election let alone something like a 10 year plan of investment. Infrastructure projects typically last longer than the term of a government and so none of them will really commit to much, not that they're capable of making those decisions anyway.

We saw it in Sunak's speech this week, he cancelled the Manchester leg of HS2 and said the Tories will redirect that money to 'something', well what is that something? It's actually nothing because they have no idea. Labour are no different, they just have an anti-whatever-the-Tories-said policy but no actual specific infrastructure policy.

What will really happen is Labour will get in and several years will be spent in pointless committees where relatively little will be decided. They'll then get booted out and we're back with the Tories. The whole thing is a carousel where essentially very little if anything gets achieved.

Basically all politicians are arseholes and politics itself is just a pit of poison. It's just really sad that these morons are the gatekeepers for projects that could really help people. I just wish they would just give the money and power to clever people that care who will act on that basis alone and not on the basis of getting one over on the other party.

HS2 had cross party consensus. That is the only way you can complete these projects. The Tories have now abandoned governance - much like the Republicans in the US. That leaves Labour as the only major party interested in governance.

That is the difference between the two major parties. Brexit drove the Tories insane and what we have today is the result. A Tory party focused on grievance and identity politics. It is no longer capable of governing because its pet project makes governance harder. Brexit requires larger state spending, this means higher taxes. Brexit means more red tape, it means trading with Europe has more friction and even worse we are subject to EU decisions via a deal that benefitted the EU more than it did us just to satisfy a simple three word slogan and win an election. This is not what the Tories wanted or expected to happen, hence the flight into a fantasy world of woke and inventing phantom policies to attack.

You and others bemoan about not electing clever and capable people? Well, look at who and what we voted for over the last ten years and you can see ‘clever and capable‘ was not top of the fucking list of what we wanted.

Dumb and simple. Yes. Clever and capable. No.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Only 18 hours? Given the speed and extant to which Sunak is fucking up it should be 24 hours.

On HS2 Cameron and Johnson have both trashed Sunak’s decision - how do your tiny Tory brains cope with the constant whiplash as your party lurches from one barmy decision to another, with each decision contradicting the last one? Fancy digging up tweets from the current Chancellor on how HS2 is essential for growth and levelling up?

Instead of whining, try thinking.

Funny how you equate my post with whining, when all I’m doing is pointing out the reality of the situation on here.

Hours upon hours of hate and vitriol about Sunak, and when someone points out the facts about a specific part of Labour policy - which every knows is essentially the same as the government’s - you’re unable to handle it. You fold like a sack of shit.

It’s all so erratic as well. Citing Cameron and Johnson’s opposition to Sunak’s decision on HS2, when you all hate Cameron and Johnson with a passion, due in no small part to the school they went to. Just very erratic and contradictory.

 

[meltonblue]

His and Labours position was the exact same, they would have scrapped it and promised much like the Tories some fancy incarnation of the next Northern transport project that we know will get scrapped or scaled back.

The world knew it was being scrapped, at no point did Labour say a vote for them would ensure that HS2 in its entirety would be built.

That in my book is the exact same position and by the day, Starmer, Reaves and the Labour Party look and sound very much like a traditional Conservative Party.

Labour did say that several times to be fair.